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Destiny 2 Lore - Ahsa's Origins, The truth about the Worm Gods & The Witness's "Curse."

  • Опубліковано 30 тра 2023
  • Destiny 2's Lore and Story tells us about Ahsa's potential origins. The lore from the Season of the Deep tells us about Ahsa's potential connection to the ancient Worm Gods of the Hive. Ahsa's species might've been corrupted by the cursed promise of the Witness. Fundament's ancient Proto worm gods fought amongst each other because of this curse. Ahsa escaped and is now alone.
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  • Colter Hall
    Colter Hall 3 місяці тому +286

    Something I'm picking up from this is that the original leviathan/proto-worm species also formed bonds with other lifeforms, but the sword logic turned what was once a beneficial relationship into a one-sided parasitic one. Makes me wonder what the original nature of these partnerships was, and if we'll eventually find out via Sloane.

    • Indigo
      Indigo 3 місяці тому +47

      Mutualism to parasitism? That makes a lot of sense to me. Like how the eliksni house of gentle weavers became the house wolves. Bringing out the worst in a species

    • Aksis
      Aksis 3 місяці тому +13

      Reminds me a lot of the Ahamkara, they were parasitic in nature as well

    • John Gancarcik
      John Gancarcik 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@Indigo yeah it makes sense

    • Ryan `
      Ryan ` 3 місяці тому +15

      @Aksis Ahamkara seem more like a symbiote than a parasite though.

    • P G
      P G 3 місяці тому +2

      this might also give us insight to what happens to a worm after the host dies, though in ahsa's case it is different

  • Drizztbc
    Drizztbc 3 місяці тому +360

    Glad to see some of the community’s theories on what Ahsa was still have some merit. If Ahsa really is a proto worm god it will be interesting to see what “gifts” she will be able to lend us.

    • Qasid Farooqi
      Qasid Farooqi 3 місяці тому +40

      aren't her 'gifts' the blessings she gives us in the seasonal activities?

    • Drizztbc
      Drizztbc 3 місяці тому +36

      @Qasid Farooqi that is true! She has given a number of things so far. But if that’s a sample maybe she could give even greater ones, like reversing the taken corruption?

    • Zamers
      Zamers 3 місяці тому +14

      @Drizztbc remember, oryx took the knowledge of taking from akka, the worm god of secrets. maybe ahsa will have knowledge of taking or something similar. it might be how sloane got all creepy with no one else around to take her. (though maybe when titan was taken she got infected.)

    • Neftali Arias
      Neftali Arias 3 місяці тому +29

      @Zamersno, she got infected because she chose to be infected. She said it in the first week.

    • Kerosin
      Kerosin 3 місяці тому +15

      Right now her gifts seem limited to 300% dodge speed and a 10% heavy weapon damage boost

  • Brett Chase Bruggeman
    Brett Chase Bruggeman 3 місяці тому +1379

    Everyone is asking who is Ahsa, but not how is Ahsa 😢

  • Crazy Talk
    Crazy Talk 3 місяці тому +374

    Well, the Leviathan and Ahsa could be the same species. It's possible the Leviathan and the worm gods are the same species, but the darkness warped the worms. If so, that would lend itself to the idea that the side opposed to the Witness did indeed win the war. The Leviathan, as a general or leader, then guarded the corrupt worms until the siblings showed up.

    • Nomadic_Gaming
      Nomadic_Gaming 3 місяці тому +38

      dont forget rhulk showing up and having a tussle w the leviathan probably weakening it to where it couldnt stop the siblings

    • Dan
      Dan 3 місяці тому +5

      Leviathan's looks like Calus "leviathan" (source - grenade launcher from "Eater of the worlds")

    • TheSuperRatt
      TheSuperRatt 3 місяці тому +11

      @Dan And Ahsa looks nothing like a Worm God. Means it's still plausible they descend from the same common ancestor.

    • Dan
      Dan 3 місяці тому +4

      @TheSuperRatt we see how looks ahsa in ghosts of the deep. It's worm.

    • Nomadic_Gaming
      Nomadic_Gaming 3 місяці тому +14

      @TheSuperRatt remember the traveler was going to uplift the hive
      what if the pre corrupted worm gods were on ancient fundament and the witness got to them first before the traveler got there or the other species grew on fundament and after the worm gods became the worm gods they got wiped by the last surviving uncorrupted of their species the leviathan
      hence why rhulk had to fight it to get to the thing it took and to get the larvae it laid as a trap for the siblings to start their voyage into darkness
      the witness saw his first attempt to corrupt fundament failed
      so instead of losing it to the traveler it set things in motion to try again and this time it not only succeeded but got a 2 for one via the worm gods coming back from the ones imprisoned by the leviathan
      hell its possible some early one escaped the civil war and became ahamkhara too given their natures
      but basically fundament got fucked by the witness twice
      it would make assha a proto leviathan probably
      and mean the love and light she chased was the traveler trying to find it to stag close to it for safety possibly her own species having been uplifted in a way by it then the witness corrupting them like its own species got corrupted (spoiler sorry but it is coming and its a doozy)

  • UltimateQmazing
    UltimateQmazing 3 місяці тому +144

    I actually remember during vanilla destiny 2, everyone saw this massive fish swimming in the methane on titan and thought it was oryx's worm that how somehow ended up here. Man. Hard to believe we got THIS close.

    • Jacob Geist
      Jacob Geist 3 місяці тому +34

      While the glimpses of the leviathan you could see from the surface were most likely ahsa, the shadow on the wall when you were in rooms bellow the surface could still be oryxs worm, after all, it was notably absent from his remains in ghosts of the deep and that shadow was not nearly as large as ahsa is

    • aljaž Slemc
      aljaž Slemc 3 місяці тому +5

      I remember when the leviathan raid was about to come out, i was talking to some people on LFG and leviathan on fundament was to most people still an obscure reference to the books of sorrow. After it turned out the ship was also named leviathan, i never expected the leviathan species to make an appearance...

    • Cappy Cat
      Cappy Cat 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@aljaž SlemcThe species Calus based the Leviathan off is different to Ahsa and the other leviathan in the lore books. The Leviathan is based off Torobatls land whales.

    • ajm0208
      ajm0208 3 місяці тому +2

      @Jacob Geist I think the leviathan we see through the glass is the one you see when going from the first boss to the final boss in the new dungeon

    • aljaž Slemc
      aljaž Slemc 3 місяці тому +1

      @Cappy Cat yes i know. I was talking about how when the raid was about to release we didn't know that. And how the leviathans of fundament really sort of took a back seat and it didn't seem like they'd be back till we got to see a rib in Rhulk s pyramid

  • The Gentlesaurian Velocidapper
    The Gentlesaurian Velocidapper 3 місяці тому +82

    It would actually make sense in context why the Leviathan of Fundament was guarding the Worm Gods. As well as why The Witness sent Rhulk to retrieve and subjugate the remaining Worm Gods.
    They were the last members of their species still remaining on Fundament. The rest rendered each other to extinction, save Ahsa who fled via the Ascendant Realm to a far away and safe locale.
    At one point, Fundament must've been bustling with a great deal of Leviathans who seemed to possess incredible paracasual powers (such as accessing the Ascendant Realm). At some point however, The Witness must have reached out through the Ascendant Realm through the Darkness...and whispering to some of the species to embrace the Sword Logic. They underwent their own transformation similar to the Kril and Hive. In fact, it's almost a mirror of the two species.
    This may also explain how when the Osmium siblings ingested the Worm God larva and became gods they were able to create Throne Worlds. Because the Worms/Leviathans had a deep connection to the Ascendant Realm to begin with.
    Which also explains why when Oryx slew Akka, created the tablets of Ruin (and the Dreadnought), he could effectively communicate with The Witness more clearly and learn to take.

  • Thomas Chitham
    Thomas Chitham 3 місяці тому +203

    Great, now I need to know the full connection between Ahamkara, the Worms, Ahsa(proto-Worms), and the Leviathan.

    • Shadow Eclipse
      Shadow Eclipse 3 місяці тому +33

      I think the Leviathan must have been another proto-worm who rejected the Deep and was blessed with the Light/Sky.

    • Akuma Imayaruk
      Akuma Imayaruk 3 місяці тому +8

      At this point it's looking like the had the same ancestor(s) but ended up following a couple of different paths, Like Humans -> Humans, Awoken, and Exo.

    • John Gancarcik
      John Gancarcik 3 місяці тому +21

      ​@Akuma Imayaruk seems like it the protoworms accepted the traveler and became the leviathan
      Some who fled became ahmkara
      Those who stayed and fought accepted the deep

    • Garbage Gnome King
      Garbage Gnome King 3 місяці тому +5

      Personally, I'm still praying the ahamkara are unrelated to the worm gods... They're just cooler separated.

  • FirePenguin99
    FirePenguin99 3 місяці тому +26

    I think Ahsa can make Hive worm type pacts, but instead of giving a hive power and draining it of life overtime, Ahsa's is the opposite. She wants love and to be known in exchange for giving their bonded person life

  • Reamoin Mc Donachadh
    Reamoin Mc Donachadh 3 місяці тому +127

    Ahsa imples that her species were the first "victims" of the Witness. I think it is clear that the Worm Gods killed all of Asha's species, as they 'survived' (and thus the strongest, according to the Sword Logic) But not strong enough to leave Fundament, as one, more powerful than they kept them there, (the Leviathan) until the three siblings of the Osmium Dynasty arrived and made their bargain in turn.

    • Christian Yaerger
      Christian Yaerger 3 місяці тому +9

      The Worm Gods gained strength enough to leave when they bonded with the Krill.

    • Ulysses Peterson
      Ulysses Peterson 3 місяці тому +17

      Ahsa is referring to something else when she speaks of the first victims of the Witness. It is cleared up in the leaked cutscene.

    • Zachary Hansen
      Zachary Hansen 3 місяці тому +7

      I don’t think that they would be The Witness’ first victims given how Rhulk existed before them.

    • Akuma Imayaruk
      Akuma Imayaruk 3 місяці тому +4

      @Zachary Hansen Ya it would have made no sense for The Witness to come back for the Krill/Hive after dealing with the "Worm Gods" and moving onto find Rhulk

    • Techhunter Talon
      Techhunter Talon 3 місяці тому

      @Ulysses Peterson That's spoilers. The scene is in the game, yes, but it has yet to play out in game.

  • Stormtroop 30
    Stormtroop 30 3 місяці тому +14

    In the garden before time there were dragonflies (ahamkara) and worms (leviathans) that buzzed and dug around the tree of silver wings. I hope we get the full connection to all this soon, especially with the tree.

    • Stormtroop 30
      Stormtroop 30 3 місяці тому +5

      Also, could “aiat” be the leviathans version of the anthem anatheme? Or their way of calling upon it? Didn’t we have lore that directly stated that the worms and ahamkara didn’t evolve from one another but alongside each other? I wouldn’t try and keep looking to connect the two species but rather their origins as separate species, instead.

  • LightDestruction
    LightDestruction 3 місяці тому +88

    I'm a free to play player and I love experiencing the lore of the universe through your videos. Thanks :)

    • Jason Adams
      Jason Adams 3 місяці тому

      What do you play on?

    • Apocky Pocky
      Apocky Pocky 3 місяці тому +14

      @Jason Adams UAclips lol

    • Sol
      Sol 3 місяці тому

      @Apocky Pocky lmaoo

  • Cleyton Carlos
    Cleyton Carlos 3 місяці тому +74

    I don't believe the worm gods "Evolve" pre say, it's more likely that they were transformed by darkness like Calus or Rulk.

  • Tyztube21
    Tyztube21 3 місяці тому +12

    I think Asha, the Worm Gods and Ahamkara shared a common ancestor before evolving into what they are now.
    Asha is a positive symbiotic relationship with the one she bonded with, in the case of Sloane.
    The Worm Gods was parasitic in nature, demanding violence in exchange for immortality and power or be eaten from the inside.
    Ahamkara in their relationships with [hosts] feed on desire wishes that they grant…but not without it possibly becoming a monkey’s paw in the process.
    They all have in common is the need of another being as a host or partner in some way to sustain their lives. Anyone else have anything to add in speculative stuff?

  • Formerlyknownasmousecopp
    Formerlyknownasmousecopp 3 місяці тому +15

    Now I wanna see a leviathan flying through space so badly. Can't imagine how awesome an image that would be

  • PixelQubed
    PixelQubed 3 місяці тому +27

    Honestly, it seems like Ahsa has some connection to taken energy. She might even be the species who controlled said taken energy before the Witness found the energy to take to pass it to the Taken King. If Ahsa does use taken energy for her own purposes all be it good purposes, does that mean the ability to take is something that stems from the deep itself and these species are the origin of the taken energy. It seems to be heading in this direction I think. Just like Light and Darkness, Stasis, Strand so on they can all be used for good and bad. I think this is also true for the taken energy. I also think the source of the taken energy is something their species held and the "Calcified version" of this energy is impure taken energy that can bend people's will, hence the statues. It would make sense. I don't think Slone is inherently in danger of being taken. I think it's just a way to access the ascendant plane for para-causal beings. Ahsa might be para-causal herself. She may have knowledge of the universe.
    Hell with this line of thinking it could now give more context to what actually happened to the exodus black. It makes no sense that that event was the witnesses doing. I ultimately think now after seeing this, it was Ahsa. That was the connection before the collapse she is talking about. The connection to queen mara sov before she became the awoken queen. This could make sense. Especially the connection to the ascendant plane that the awoken have.
    Stay with me here, I think to pass through the gate, we will have to make use of the taken energy. Think about it. If what Ahsa uses is taken energy then it would make sense for the witness to use something similar. Maybe the Veil is the origin of all para-causal power in the universe. Whatever energy/power the Witness possesses is not what the taken energy is supposed to be. Maybe now that energy is so corrupted it bends the laws of time and space itself connecting past to future. It's the echos of the never where. The final shape.

    • Soul Survivor
      Soul Survivor 3 місяці тому +4

      This week I've noticed some spots on Ahsa that look like those small "puddles" of taken energy that don't damage you, the one's that look like shimmering pools of blackness and stars.
      One up above her eye and another to the right and down a little. Also, she seems to have electricity or arc pulses across parts of her at times too.
      She very much could be a being of Light and Dark, wielding both in some measure. Her Telepathic nature is very much darkness related after all, however being alive is enough to have some measure of Light within her as well. As she is so big, it's probable she has quite a sizable core of Light compared to other living organisms.
      Her eye is very similar to the veil, both in size and it's iris design. The Disciple of Fear, Nezerac, very well could have been the one to take her left eye during the collapse.
      This fight probably occurred near the Exodus ship Mara was on, Ahsa possibly was attempting to flee and reached out to Mara or her exodus ship for help.
      The Traveller possibly intervened with it's "Life Beam" attack making an initial connection to Ahsa's left eye, Traveller to Veil rather than Veil to Traveller, which created the Awoken realm by accident in an attempt to save the ship.
      The Traveller probably suffered damage from a resonance based feedback from Nezeracs ship through Ahsa's now dislodged left eye.
      Shortly after this, Savathûn likely enacted her betrayal, hid his ship on Luna and pinned the blame on Nezerac to maintain her appearance of Loyalty to the Witness. Claiming Nezerac took Ahsa/the veil elsewhere to use it to cause more pain and fear to out grow the Witness's power.
      She probably almost left the Witness no choice but to leave Savathûn, under the direct supervision of Rhulk, to keep watch over the Traveller and ensure it doesn't escape.
      That and wait for Oryx to Arrive to finish off humanity, which resulted in his demise.

    • PixelQubed
      PixelQubed 3 місяці тому +1

      @Soul Survivor Exactly. I also believe this energy will be used to accidentally bring Cayde back when going through the portal using the taken energy. It makes a lot of sense.

    • John Gancarcik
      John Gancarcik 3 місяці тому +1

      This all makes perfect sense even the glow on travelers chosen matches what ahsa has and cayde in the trailer has I'm wondering if the power to take wasn't somehow perverted by the witness or the deep

    • IHeart GanjaHomi
      IHeart GanjaHomi 3 місяці тому +2

      From what I understand as a veteran player we were supposed to take the mantle of taken king after slaying oryx and we didn’t and hear me out real quick what if our next subclass is taken i dont think it’s impossible for us to take over and completely wrest control of the taken and all of its capabilities from the witness cuz with how strongly we are connected to the light And how strong willed an individual we are we could very well take his stuff from him cuz he’s just using the darkness like us whose to say the darkness hasn’t been trying to rebel against the witness the entire time and that’s why we’ve been advancing so rapidly with darkness powers because we are a contender to stop him permanently he is so focused on keeping us distant from him that appears to me hes actually worried about an encounter with us at the stage of development we’re at. This is just something I’ve been thinking about. Cuz I’m noticing little under tones and hints that indicate we are just rapidly gaining strength and yet the traveler is done how is it the witness has done what he did and yet our light seems to have gotten stronger not weaker and has continued to evolve more now than when it was alive. These little shifts in tone I can’t ignore I will say the AI tweak Bungie did is pretty welcome cuz now they feel a bit more lore accurate to how strong they are especially the hive.

  • Erik M
    Erik M 3 місяці тому +6

    If the Disciple of Fear (Nezarec, almost certainly) attacked Ahsa during the collapse, that means Eramis is the only (known) Disciple of the Witness to never have interacted with any sort of Leviathan.

  • Ragabash
    Ragabash 3 місяці тому +2

    I’ve always wondered why “Oh (noun) mine.” Came across as affectionate from such cruel creatures. Given Ahsa’s emphasis on love and family it was probably meant as a sort of bonding ritual.

  • Falrexion
    Falrexion 3 місяці тому +104

    Unfortunately Irish has about four or five "correct" pronunciations given accents and regional dialects, but I'd pronounce Síocháin along the lines of She-ock-awn. The í and á are longer vowel sounds than the regular vowel, and ch is the equivalent of a k as it's one of those letters we don't have in the Irish alphabet. Pretty good attempt though 👍

    • Matt Graham
      Matt Graham 3 місяці тому +8

      Scottish Gaelic is similar - it's fascinatingly frustrating how many variations there are with accents and dialects, and how many letters and syllables we're used to in English that simply don't exist, lol
      "Is that a silent letter or a phlegmy sound?"
      "What does that flick mean..?" lol

    • DaViNyL69
      DaViNyL69 3 місяці тому +1

      Oh well 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • Tommy Smyth
      Tommy Smyth 3 місяці тому +3

      I’m sure that’s right, similar to An Garda Síochána. The Irish police force for the people that don’t know.

    • darthspidermario
      darthspidermario 3 місяці тому +2

      In the preamble to the Mayday mission this week, Sloane pronounces it close to “Sho-kan”

  • Moon_ Truth9000
    Moon_ Truth9000 3 місяці тому

    I love Byf’s tone when reading lore tabs. It’s an amazing way to keep someone interested, and there’s a clear sense of professionalism in how it’s narrated

  • chris reilly
    chris reilly 3 місяці тому +10

    Ahsa is to the worm gods, just as the krill are to the Hive. No wonder she looked so similar in her silhouette. She looks like a giant version of a larval worm

  • William Figueroa
    William Figueroa 3 місяці тому

    Just want to say I love the extra little commentary throughout the readings. I often listen to these while doing other things and it’s easy to get lost in some of the lore excerpts. The little clarifications when things are being presented a bit indirectly are super helpful.

  • Asturjgm
    Asturjgm 3 місяці тому +1

    Her being a proto-worm god is clear IMO, she is referred as "worm" in the story many times and she certainly can bestow gifts, as we see in the deep dive missions. Her kind also seemed to know the "magics" that were forbidden before being changed by The Witness

  • Sinestra00
    Sinestra00 3 місяці тому +2

    I'm really starting to feel like that Ahsa's race were once one. But because of the Witnesses and the war they evolved into different species. Ahsa is what the species once was. Some of them became worm gods bound to the Witness and the darkness and the rest became the Ahamkara cursed with the O mine paracausal trap. If Asha states that she is the last of her species she could be talking about the original species. There are still hive god worm left and the Ahamkara are now extinct with he death of Riven.

  • Monadoboy
    Monadoboy 3 місяці тому +2

    I'm loving the lore this season I really hope that Ahsa's species is related to the leviathan perhaps the Leviathan was their mother or their Alpha of sorts this would be really interesting as a parellell the Leviathan fought till the very end meanwhile Xita was quick to become subservient to the witness

  • DualEquinox
    DualEquinox 3 місяці тому +4

    Tbh I think the Leviathan is what you get if you give a member of Ahsa's species the Light, just as Worm Gods are what happens if they embrace the Darkness. Ahsa in my opinion is a member of the base species that never received the blessings of either the Light or the Darkness.

  • FezSpaceMoose
    FezSpaceMoose 3 місяці тому +2

    Now this brings new meaning to the levithan giving Oryx and her sisters a warning meant.
    He was what ever Ahsa is, and saw what the curse of the deep could do.

  • Junior KZ
    Junior KZ 3 місяці тому

    BYF!! Bro, major congrats on a million, thx for always piecing the story's together for the community and delivering it in such a complete and captivating fashion.

  • Firenzar Frenzy
    Firenzar Frenzy 3 місяці тому

    Hey Byf
    Call it a footnote of 14:06
    In one of the seasonal armour lore tabs (for Warlock at least) there’s an entry where Sloane is having a vision of a golden age scientist. He is the one who formed that original bond with Ahsa. Siochain then confirms it’s not a vision but a temporal anomaly because the space at which she’s seeing this golden age ‘vision’ occur in has the same atmospheric conditions of golden age Titan.

  • Hipi07
    Hipi07 3 місяці тому

    I always wondered why Saladin referred to Ahsa as an 'outcast worm' during Deep Dives. That kind of came out of nowhere, since it's not said or mentioned in any cutscene or line of dialogue previous to it, and I only got the Ghost shell recently.

  • Oz
    Oz  3 місяці тому +1

    I love the additional lore in item descriptions, but I always forget to read them. Your videos are phenomenal Byf!

  • SnyperMK2000
    SnyperMK2000 3 місяці тому +1

    Honestly, i think the Leviathan species is what Ahsa is. It might have been that she was a young one and chose to flee instead of fighting family. Perhapse her dads friend was the one who survived and beat the Hive Worms of the Deep down and locked them away for their betrayal. If so, not only is she the most ancient being we know of in Sol but also the lone survivor of the Witness, the only being we have access to that might know the Witness' weakness or have the power to overcome the witness/what we need to traverse the triangle portal....

  • Samaron
    Samaron 3 місяці тому

    Was the conflict between those who accepted the Witness' logic and those who did not? I interpreted it as only Ahsa rejected the logic and the rest killed eachother to prove themselves by the sword, if Xita and possibly the Leviathen were the only survivors then that makes more sense. Either way, I'm glad to see more worm god lore at last, who knows, maybe we'll even see Yul or one of the other worm gods go after Ahsa. Or perhapse some of the worm gods may even turn on The Witness as well, family does seem to be fairly important to them and they may still be upset that Rhulk turned their mother into a weapon. Then again, we did that to their brother, and Oryx did something sort of related to their sister, and Mara did it to one of their children... is it just the fate of all worm gods to be turned into weapons?

  • Nicholas Squires
    Nicholas Squires 3 місяці тому +5

    Has it been retconned or is there still a sandworm on the Cabal Homeworld called the Leviathan that Calus’ ship is based off of? Also, love how Sloan’s Ghost is ready to cut-a-bitch 🤣

  • FeatherFang
    FeatherFang 3 місяці тому

    I was really hoping after what they did in Light Fall that carrying The Whisper of the Worm sniper would have had us hearing Xol during some of the story, seeing as the gun has his soul. No dice though.

  • The Cel Games
    The Cel Games 3 місяці тому +1

    That makes her millions of years old. I never thought that the Leviathan and Worms could even have been the same species which makes perfect sense now I think about it. Why would it be guarding the worms from discovery if it didn't have history with them? So many mysterious to be solved it's insane

  • Wolfheart
    Wolfheart 3 місяці тому +1

    I think Ahsa is a uncorrupted worm if I remember correctly in my first deep dive after doing the two pressure challenges I think Drifter or Zavala said something "Can you believe an outcast worm" I think she is one and I want to protect her even more after hearing her story now

    • Wolfheart
      Wolfheart 3 місяці тому

      All I'll say be sure to do those pressure challenges on deep dive I think there's so interesting dialogue in there that could lead to stuff

  • Zach Reeves
    Zach Reeves 3 місяці тому +15

    I’m surprised you didn’t speculate on the “bond” Ahsa made during the Collapse. My notion is that Ahsa and Savathun bonded…Savathun helped Ahsa escape Fundament via the Veil.

    • Aiden Fanucci
      Aiden Fanucci 3 місяці тому +7

      There's lore about how some golden age scientist bonded with her
      Edit: it's on the armour pieces I think, Sloane sees it during Titans taking

    • Cappy Cat
      Cappy Cat 3 місяці тому

      ​@Aiden FanucciIs it the cold comfort rocket launcher you're talking about? It's about how some scientists try to escape the collapse in a submarine and Ahsa comes to them so they don't die alone.

    • Sylis
      Sylis 3 місяці тому

      ​@Cappy Cat There was another part where she bonded and hid others in a cove and kept them calm until they died.
      So, multiple attempts from her.

  • Indraga
    Indraga 3 місяці тому +19

    Sky: Leviathans
    Neutral: Ahamkara
    Deep: Worms
    What if they’re all the same species but are changed based on their alignment? It would explain why the Vanguard purged the Ahamkara, as each is a potential enemy if claimed by the Deep and the Vanguard was probably unaware of Leviathans at the time.

    • Archivist Eris
      Archivist Eris 3 місяці тому +1

      The Great Hunt seems to have been Mara's idea- and likely aided by Riven. Mara had wished for a unique, one-sided source of power that would advantage her against future enemies, and Riven granted it by orchestrating the destruction of all other Ahamkara

    • Indraga
      Indraga 3 місяці тому

      @Archivist Eris I gotta brush up on reading! I thought the hunt was executed by the Vanguard.

    • Impartial Throne
      Impartial Throne 3 місяці тому

      ​@Indragait was a joint operation. Mara had her reasons, and the Vanguard was sick of Guardians making wishes that ended up getting turned around on them.

  • Texas
    Texas 3 місяці тому

    I nearly drowned in the deep when she swam into view in the dungeon yelling “you’re breathtaking!”
    She is definitely a new mystery but a welcome one to us lore whores 😅

  • Wallo Wenis
    Wallo Wenis 3 місяці тому

    At the start of the season I had the theory, that maybe Ahsa, was the mysteriously unknown other disciple from the RON lorebooks. Where they were questioning the final shape, maybe that's why Ahsa left and it would explain why Ahsa knows so much about the witness. But I like this video.

  • SageOfReality
    SageOfReality 3 місяці тому +6

    This season is what Destiny is really all about, mystery for the community to think and converse about the story as it goes forward...I'm hoping Ahsa knows something about the Va~ joking but maybe she may know something. It would be cool if Bungie gives us more story to compliment the events in Lightfall and justify what we think were shortcomings, hopefully it makes us appreciate the campaign later.

  • Spacejunk89
    Spacejunk89 3 місяці тому

    I was under the impression that Ahsa and the Leviathan were the same. That Rhulk is the disciple of fear and Nezarec of pain, and the rib bone in Rhulks ship was Ahsa's from perhaps around the time she fled Fundament.

  • Asmodeus Arsenal
    Asmodeus Arsenal 3 місяці тому

    Thank you Byf,every season I look forward to the lore and theory that you bring.

  • Empirical Wolf
    Empirical Wolf 3 місяці тому +1

    Reckon it's not just worm gods that came from her species. I bet the wish dragon are also a off shot as well, they chased the traveller instead. Asha is the original and neutral in a sense.

  • Briggsian
    Briggsian 3 місяці тому +1

    The "disciple of fear" is likely in reference to Rhulk. As the first disciple of the Witness, he was there when the Witness came for Ahsa's race and Fundament. He also struck a leviathan in the deep, likely in reference to Ahsa herself, who was wounded by Rhulk and then fled.

    • Chris Wilson
      Chris Wilson 3 місяці тому +2

      the leviathan was later killed by the hive and fed to their worm gods, ahsa is a different worm, and the only disciple known for fear or nightmares is nezerac

    • Bones
      Bones 3 місяці тому +1

      ahsa was likely struck during the collapse as nezarec was present during it and led the attack

  • Skeletor
    Skeletor 3 місяці тому +1

    I wonder if the Leviathan may have also been of the original Worm God species, but couldn't bring itself to kill the Worm Gods (maybe they were family?) and so it contained them in the depths of Fundament instead.

  • DokHo7iday
    DokHo7iday 3 місяці тому

    This subplot is becoming so incredibly interesting. The one thing that doesn’t add up for me is Ahsa describes she was struck by “the disciple of fear”, which to me also suggests Nezarec. But the Vow of Disciple lore tells us it was Rhulk who wounded the Leviathan (assumably Ahsa) in the depths of Fundament and displayed one of its ribs in his pyramid ship.
    I suppose it could have been another leviathan, and not Ahsa, that Rhulk assailed. But if nothing more this passage suggests that both Nezarec and Rhulk visited Fundament and made contact with the Worm Gods and Leviathan, and this is absolutely tantalizing storytelling as you put it, Mr. Byf. I want MORE.

    • Something Awesome
      Something Awesome 3 місяці тому

      Ahsa is not the Leviathan, she may be one of Leviathan's species, but she's not it. The Leviathan was killed by hive on one of Fundament's moons, where it fled.

  • AntiGravity
    AntiGravity 3 місяці тому +1

    What if the Traveler empowered The Leviathan so it could contain the worm gods and it was the same species as Ahsa.
    This also makes me wonder of Ahsa, the Worm Gods, and Ahamkara are all related

  • Indoraptor
    Indoraptor 3 місяці тому

    In the new trial ship, you can see one of shayuras fireteam, reed-7, was one of the casualties in the one cutscene where the witness cuts all the ships into pieces

  • Thaeus
    Thaeus 3 місяці тому +1

    Now I'm wondering why Rhulk would have had to fight the Leviathan, and remove one of its ribs, in order to reach and conscript the Worm Gods if they were proto-Worms that had already been corrupted by the Witness in the first place.

  • Shiori95chan
    Shiori95chan 3 місяці тому +1

    I wonder if Ahsa could potentially give new powers to those eho bond with her like the worm gods gave to the osmium sisters..
    Because that in conjunction with having Savathun's body at hand could lead to interesting situations..

      RHYTHVIC 3 місяці тому

      We have both Oryx'x and Savathun's body at the moment. IF we also kill Xivu Arath and get her body, what are we going to do with all that unoccupied power? Maybe take their power for ourselves or maybe Ahsa can do something with worm infected species?

  • Sharc Blazer
    Sharc Blazer 3 місяці тому +2

    Ahsa has given me weapon buffs and ammo multiple times.
    Ahsa is my new favorite character.

  • Fishnutz
    Fishnutz 3 місяці тому +1

    Nezarec also has some dialouge about Ahsa and her species in Root of Nightmares. Its not much but he clearly knows about her and the Worm God origins

  • Donovan Cawyer
    Donovan Cawyer 3 місяці тому

    A wyrm battle between Ahsa and one of the worm gods as a climax would be insane

  • tyler miles
    tyler miles 3 місяці тому +17

    She's not the same Levi Rhulk injured on Fundament, that's for sure. Her mentioning the Disciple of Fear striking is during the Collapse so it sounds like it's Nezarec

    • Chris Wilson
      Chris Wilson 3 місяці тому +1

      true, the leviathan was killed by the hive long before the traveler came to sol. the leviathan was seemingly gifted some form of the light by the traveler

  • Dave
    Dave 3 місяці тому +1

    Could the Leviathan have been the mother/father of the proto worms? They rejected the witness but couldnt fight their sons and daughters when the conflict broke out. When the worms that won turned into the worm gods that we know, they vowed to contain them on fundament. The worm gods had to then, essentially create the hive to leave and continue the witness' design?

  • cayde spliff
    cayde spliff 3 місяці тому

    something I’ve noticed but haven’t heard discussed, is how ahsas’ eye shimmers and contracts/expands when she’s speaking through the deputy commander, it even mentions this happening a few other times(i think) in lore from this season talking about how ahsa helped her survive all this time. Isn’t this yet another similarity between the worm gods, or *proto-worm gods, and the ahamkara? ahamkaras’ shimmering eye is what would betray their wish magic when it was in play, if I remember correctly. damn forsaken was a long time ago lol. anyways, is this making sense to anyone?

  • Sapheyer Soft Sounds
    Sapheyer Soft Sounds Місяць тому

    My theory is this. The Leviathan was the guardian of the sword logic. The worms were once like Ahsa. When Rhaulk travelled to Fundament, it infected the already turning creatures that were Ahsa's family. Thus making it that the worm gods were once like Ahsa and the Leviathan but when infected with darkness, they morphed. Just like how the Hive morphed into what they are today.

  • Cadwun
    Cadwun 3 місяці тому +2

    I believe we hear Sloane pronounce her Ghosts name, "Show-Khan" in the recent story mission.

  • Conner Smith117
    Conner Smith117 3 місяці тому

    I truly believe after the final shape there’s going to be a whole new story/saga and I truly believe that Taox the hive sister’s mother will eventually come into play, yes the krill don’t live super long except for the females but after all this time taox would definitely be dead by now but I think she found a way to keep living cuz she has to come back around eventually in real time tho not millions of years ago in the lore of destiny.

      RHYTHVIC 3 місяці тому +1

      Yeah, I keep wondering if Taox is ever going to come back. Thought witch queen was going to be where she would make an appearance. Looks like diving into the lore of what occured on and around Fundament might reintroduce her character, maybe even the ship that she was drifting in space on shows up soon.

  • William WH
    William WH 3 місяці тому

    If Ahsa is a proto worm god then I wonder if they have chosen Sloan like how the worm gods chose the siblings. Also if there are more like Ahsa out there and they became our allies like Ahsa has then who would they choose, and what would the status of that person be especially if that person was part of the vanguard. Imagine if Ahsa or one like Ahsa bonded with a restored Savathun who the vanguard allowed to be restored just so an alliance against the witness and their forces could be made with the hive that follow Savathun. Would be interesting though Savathun and Ahsa versus Xivu and their worm god with some assistance from us. Additionally will Ahsa or one like her bond with the guardian, and will Ahsa be the key to learning of the existence or even unlocking a new darkness subclass. Wondering that because if we get a third darkness subclass would we learn it before or during final shape. If before then Ahsa could be the key yo finding it or the source for unlocking it. If we get a third darkness subclass and we get it during final shape instead of before final shape then at what point during final shape would we get it because that could affect who we get it or the information regarding it from. Also how do groups like the nine view Ahsa, and how would Zavala and Mara treat Ahsa if they knew it was a proto worm god.

  • Firenzar Frenzy
    Firenzar Frenzy 3 місяці тому

    If Ahsa truly is a proto worm, maybe there’s a similarity in name. The same way the hive siblings donned new names after accepting the deep, maybe so too did the worm gods. The mother of all worms was named Akka, the benevolent worm. The phonetic changes from soft ‘S’ sounds to the hard ‘K’ certainly seems like a feature of being linked to the deep.

  • Dredgen Dorchadas
    Dredgen Dorchadas 3 місяці тому

    Could the big waves that scared the 3 hive gods have been caused by that fighting? Kinda like how a fruit fly experiences life differently than us, could a few skirmishes have caused that for the proto hive?

  • Chittastic Chitta
    Chittastic Chitta 3 місяці тому +2

    This guy is one of the few reasons I still play this game

  • Andrew Aiello
    Andrew Aiello 3 місяці тому

    The Worm Gods need to appear in this season, it makes sense.

  • Mojo_Quid
    Mojo_Quid 3 місяці тому

    This all makes me wonder... What if the witness wins the battle for Sol and the Traveller leaves to find a new species it thinks has a chance. Who would be the last light bearer that would follow the Traveller to the new place?

  • Dallas Hardy
    Dallas Hardy 3 місяці тому +1

    I think savathun was the one who hid the planets because each of the returning ones and the discovery of neo muna were all places where there was a potential ally or weapon against the witness. Savathun is not a friend by any definition but I think she really was trying to keep the traveler out of the hands of the witness so that whats happened with the veil may never have happened. In the same regard I think she hid ahsa who warned the krill against the deep in the first place.

  • Vhnori Valmos
    Vhnori Valmos 3 місяці тому +5

    My theory is that Ahsa might be the child of the Leviathan that kept the Worm Gods trapped deep within Fundaments ocean, before they made Savathun, Oryx and Xivu.

  • bart
    bart 3 місяці тому

    Nezarec striking Ahsa seems very familiar to Rhulk attacking the Leviathan

  • Kaioken Mode
    Kaioken Mode 3 місяці тому +4

    My guess is some of the leviathan started using darkness as wish magic and became the aramkara. The witness noticed them using darkness and didn't like it so it subjugated them by making them the worm gods.
    Ahsa would be one of the leviathan that didn't use wish magic to become an aramkara but maybe knows about her siblings that did.

      RHYTHVIC 3 місяці тому

      There is a lot of similarities in how the Ahamkara and Worm god communicate. Especially with their remains whispering desires to the owner of said remains.

  • Jimmico Smith
    Jimmico Smith 3 місяці тому

    I believe they are the same species, with Ahsa being a young adult, the Leviathan being an older adult in their natural course, and the worm-gods and their mother being the same but corrupted by the dark.

  • Vadim Vaskovtsov
    Vadim Vaskovtsov 3 місяці тому

    We know that Traveller was in fact near Fundament, and was in contact with Hive(at least Savathun), maybe he was in contact with Ahsa's species aswell and maybe Leviathan is what came of it. Traveller gave him power to contain Worm Gods and well, guard them. So even without the ghost Leviathan probably was akin to Guardians, transformed by light and guarding what remained of their species. Maybe he hoped Traveller can reverse what has been done to them, but for the moment being he was jsut guarding them. They obviously could not overpower him(not without help they got from Hive later), so he could kill them if he really wanted, but he refrained from it. The main reason for this might be hope that they can be cured, drive to save his species. So he stayed to guard them, Ahsa fled to ascendant plane, but other defectors? Maybe they left with traveler, followed him around, and eventually transformed into Ahamkara. Bonds and pacts are very tied to this species nature, and even Ahsa who is not transformed talks about bond as something of utter importance to her.
    P.S. Words about "garden" "nomads" "travelers" "planting seeds of hope". Can we entertain a thought that Traveller might be not one of his kind? My head canon for a long time is that in fact Traveller is not uniqe, but he might be the last. Even wilder thought: Pyramid ships are Travellers that were hunted down by Witness and transformed by his will, can be something tied to Taking.

  • Lavernious Lavernious
    Lavernious Lavernious 3 місяці тому

    For us not to take down the last three worm gods, Yul, Eir, and Ur, would be a massive disappointment. We already killed the weakest but that wasn’t satisfying since it was just a mission/strike. They should be raid bosses with the most powerful, Yul, being the final boss

  • Jon Adams
    Jon Adams 3 місяці тому

    Having accidently seen some of the leaks and knowing the answers about whats to come but not being able to talk about it after watching some of these videos is agonizing lol. But i wont spoil it like others did for me. Just have faith guys there is some GREAT lore stuff coming in the future.

  • Bryant Moore
    Bryant Moore 3 місяці тому

    I’ve been saying for years that all these paracausal worms and dragons and such are the same thing but morphed by the surrounding energies. Glad we’re finally getting around to that.

  • ofox716
    ofox716 3 місяці тому

    I reckon if Ahsa is a proto worm god, she may be the one to give us our 3rd darkness subclass.
    And that might be a pre witness version of hive magic.
    I can see something happening with our skills and abilities in that subclass getting stronger in different ways for killing enemies in certain ways for a set period of time (emulating the sword logic).
    For instance: if you kill 3 or more enemies with a single ability, you gain one temporary charge for that ability. Once the extra charge is used, it goes away, and this skill is put on a short cooldown.
    Could be a very fun idea to play with.

  • ʝοhn navarra
    ʝοhn navarra 3 місяці тому

    I think by the end of the season Sloane will become fully taken but Ahsa will fully merge with her to protect Sloane's mind

  • cdunlap0008
    cdunlap0008 3 місяці тому

    Asha, I think, is indeed a proto worm god. And I think Sloane has taken the mantle of Taken King without fully realizing it

  • Ringo Mandingo
    Ringo Mandingo 3 місяці тому +8

    Does this mean Savathûn’s worm in the Parasite gun is somehow related to Ahsa’s species or does he turn into a thrall? I don’t remember the difference. An interaction between them would be funny though.

    • Apachers
      Apachers 3 місяці тому +3

      Worms and the Hive are separate species that have a symbiotic relationship.

    • Ringo Mandingo
      Ringo Mandingo 3 місяці тому

      Blue hands I know that part but where do the thralls come from? I could have sworn that d1 ghost said something at the entrance to the Dreadnought, in the crawl spaces when you scanned a wriggling worm. He mentioned something about them eventually growing but whether it was thralls or bigger worms I can’t remember.

    • Ringo Mandingo
      Ringo Mandingo 3 місяці тому

      Blue hands I do remember a lot of worms around a big one of those in Pit of Heresy but I’m still not sure. I’m going to look at lore and audio logs

    • The Father in the Cave
      The Father in the Cave 3 місяці тому

      @Ringo Mandingo the Hive are insects, and they have morphs. It’s Thrall, acolyte, and once they tithe enough violence they can choose to become a knight or a wizard.

  • kittehgo
    kittehgo 3 місяці тому

    I belive it is one of the pieces of seasonal armour reveals ahsa's first bond, it's with a marine biologist. During the golden age, she tried to warn him and others about the witness.

  • Jaymeson Shaw
    Jaymeson Shaw 3 місяці тому

    What if Ahsa IS the Leviathan? She said the Disciple of Fear struck her. What if that was Rhulk and the striking her part was when he took the rib bone from the Leviathan. The brothers and sisters she fought might have been the worm gods we know and after Rhulk, she left Fundament and came to Titan.

    • Chris Wilson
      Chris Wilson 3 місяці тому +1

      the leviathan was killed by the hive and fed to their worm gods a long time ago, ahsa is a different proto-worm. the disciple of fear is more than likely nezzy

  • Blair Silverlyre
    Blair Silverlyre 3 місяці тому +8

    What if the Proto-worm gods were the larval forms of Wish Dragons, and the Witness twisted them so they never grew/evolved beyond their worm forms?

    • Spartan K4102
      Spartan K4102 3 місяці тому

      Doesn't make sense because that implies Ahsa is an Ahamkara.

  • The onionator
    The onionator 3 місяці тому

    I think Ahsa is the same species as the worm gods just not corrupted. Also to me it sounds like Ahsas species was tempted by the witness originally on fundament, which caused a them to fight with one another. It also sounds like Ahsa was the only one to escape (to titan before Golden age) while the others fought. Alsoooo what if Leviathan was a name or title for this creature, and it was the *possibly the strongest & oldest of their species, and it had decided stay on fundament to guard the remaining corrupted of their species. That is until the witness came again but this time corrupted Savathun n her sisters to release these ancient corrupted "worm gods". Thus dooming their species to the darkness and killing the leviathan that stayed on the lights side.

  • Jared
    Jared 3 місяці тому +1

    Well if the disciple of fear was Rhulk, then that could mean Ahsa was the very same Leviathan that tried to warn the three hive sisters away from the deep and that would be her rib in Rhulk's pyramid.

    • Spartan K4102
      Spartan K4102 3 місяці тому

      Nah pretty sure the Leviathan was killed in one of the battles with the Hive

    • Noxinna
      Noxinna 3 місяці тому

      Rhulk wasn't present during the collapse, the lore tab mentions Sol, our solar system, and remember the collapse was caused by Nezerac and Savathun with Savathun betraying Nezerac.

  • Fatikis
    Fatikis 3 місяці тому

    Crazy idea. What if Sloane isn't bonding Asha? What if that is a bate and switch? What if we are actually helping her bond The Taken Kings Worm? Both Asha and Sloane knowing we'd never help do that are tricking us. We know that suddenly Sloane is partially Taken. Maybe with Asha's help Sloane and her are helping rehabilitate the Worm? If the species needs two Worms to breed you suddenly have a mating pair.

  • Devin Sheehan
    Devin Sheehan 2 місяці тому

    Hi, so I noticed the spelling of Sloane’s ghost was very similar to the origins of my surname, which is written Siodhacháin. (I’ve seen other sources state that Siocháin is the origin but I digress.)
    I’ve heard it pronounced “sho-han” or “sheo-han” while I’ve grown up with my name pronounced “she-yun” with the last h silent. Hope this helps!

  • Guardian Of Light
    Guardian Of Light 3 місяці тому

    He’s an idea. What if yes Ahsa is part of a “proto worm god” species. The Witness came to them and offered something, some excepted and some didn’t, and so these creatures battled, Ahsa escapes, but maybe Xita is the only survivor of the traitors, and she flees or is trapped in the core of Fundament, now transformed with dark power age gives birth to the 5 Worm Gods, abd would be interesting if the Leviathan of a Fundament was either the last survive good worm aside from Ahsa, or at least the only one that remained on Fundament guarding the Worm Gods.

  • Karl
    Karl 3 місяці тому

    This latest set of lore from this expansion has been amazing

  • Angelus_Arkadius
    Angelus_Arkadius 3 місяці тому +9

    Ahsa backwards is Asha, which can mean happy, wish, desire, life. It's also a concept meaning truth. Ahsa being backwards, maybe it means the reverse of that. Sorrow, death, deception.
    Or maybe, it's just a name

  • n0denz
    n0denz 3 місяці тому

    Ahsa is firmly in the running for "Destiny Character Who Has Suffered the Most". I hope she finds happiness and love again. Aiat.

  • cationiccoffee
    cationiccoffee 3 місяці тому

    Has anyone seen any special interactions with the parasite exotic weapon while interacting with Asha? I mean we have Sathona’s worm in our vault, he may be salty about where he is but what about taking him to see family?

  • Þ
    Þ 3 місяці тому

    Hey Byf! This is probably in your docket of videos to make already, but… When are we gonna talk about how Reed-7 was the Titan that got sliced up by the Witness in the beginning of Lightfall? And how the new Trials lore either confirms or alludes to the fact that Shayura, Aisha and Reed-7 are the “OG Fireteam” that was show in the ending Seraph cutscene and from all the way back in Vanilla D1???

  • MKUltra
    MKUltra 3 місяці тому +19

    I think there's a reason Saladin mentioned the Ahamkara hunts to Sloane.

    • Girth Check
      Girth Check 3 місяці тому +3

      Idk what they might have to do with this but it's confirmed ahsa is a worm god race. You think the worm gods before they were turned were ahamkara?

    • MKUltra
      MKUltra 3 місяці тому +6

      @Girth Check I'm thinking Bungie is going to reveal that the Worm Gods and the Ahamkara evolved from whatever race Ahsa is. Over millions of years, they became distinct species. What Ahsa said about "Magics deemed too cruel" could be the possessive "O, (noun), mine" pact magic also used by Savathûn and the Worm Gods.

    • Girth Check
      Girth Check 3 місяці тому

      @mkultra2958 so ahsa is the base form and the worm gods are darkness evolved the ahamkara are the light evolved? She said she ran away and it seems like she's the only one who didn't go dark but I guess we don't know for sure

    • MKUltra
      MKUltra 3 місяці тому +1

      @Girth Check Oh, I like that angle more. I didn't consider whether wish magic was just an Ahamkara thing, or that it could be from the Light.

  • bart
    bart 3 місяці тому

    is it possible that Ahsa is proto-krill/proto-hive? maybe theres an even earlier divergence between the Krill and the proto-worm gods where one became the Krill which further became the Hive, and one became Ahsa's race which some of further became the Worm Gods?

  • Meta
    Meta 3 місяці тому +1

    Disciple of fear, while it’s probably nezarec I would like mention an old call back to season of splicer, Skira. The evil that haunted the elksni before the traveler but was defeated when the elksni stopped being afraid because skira fed on fear.

    • Chris Wilson
      Chris Wilson 3 місяці тому

      it's likely skira and nezarec are one in the same based off similarities

  • CatS2TailS
    CatS2TailS 3 місяці тому +6

    Hey byf, what if the bond ahsa had before the collapse was with Sloane's past life? I know it's pretty up in the air, but this is destiny improbable is not impossible

  • Daniel Armstrong
    Daniel Armstrong 3 місяці тому

    Given how Rhulk has had interactions with the Leviathan on Fundament previously? I'd say The Disciple that's mentioned is Rhulk rather than Nezarec.
    EDIT: Theres a definite link between Ahsa's Gifts and the Ahamkara's Wish Magic. Could it be the Worm Gods are purely Darkness, the Leviathan are purely Light and the Ahamkara are a blend of both?

    • Chris Wilson
      Chris Wilson 3 місяці тому

      the leviathan was killed by the hive after the events on fundament and fed to their worn gods, the disciple of fear mentioned is still more than likely nezerac

  • J C
    J C 3 місяці тому

    Fun fact: if you emote around Ahsa, she will react to your emotes. Figured that out day 1 of this season

  • Mybuki
    Mybuki 3 місяці тому

    Don't you think there was a connection between ahsa and savathun? Perhaps ahsa influenced savathun to rebel against the witness.

  • RetroPhoenix
    RetroPhoenix 3 місяці тому +1

    This is a crazy theory but i think ahsa and the leviathan might be one and the same. The "disciple of fear" that struck ahsa might have been rhulk who we know took the leviathans rib which is now on display in his pyramid ship.
    What if that giant rib bone is actually from ahsa herself and maybe she was trying to warn the at the time krill daughters of the mad king about the worm gods who'd accepted the witnesses curse

    • Chris Wilson
      Chris Wilson 3 місяці тому

      the leviathan was killed by the hive and fed to their worm gods soon after the events on fundament, the disciple of fear is nezerac

    • RetroPhoenix
      RetroPhoenix 3 місяці тому

      @Chris Wilson I didn't know the leviathan was actually killed
      I thought the sisters just ignored it's warning
      Need to read the lore again I guess