The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice

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  • Опубліковано 15 кві 2019
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    Two Boeing airplanes have fallen out of the air and crashed in the past six months. On the surface, this is a technical failure. But the real story is about a company's desire to beat their rival.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 18 893

  • Carlos Krueger
    Carlos Krueger 8 годин тому

    The Fuselage of the 737 MAX differs a bit from the Original 737...LOOK AT THE TAIL END OF THE 2 MODELS...And you'll see..

  • Robert van Piggelen
    Robert van Piggelen 8 годин тому

    Ramifications for the ones responsible? None.

  • Yoshan Raj
    Yoshan Raj 8 годин тому

    Made in America is the new Made in China.

  • Jamal Senjaya
    Jamal Senjaya 9 годин тому

    I think the software and censor is the main problem. If Boeing made the software not too confidence on only one censor the plane will not crash. Install more censors (4 is best) on the plane, so if one fail, there are another censor to rely on.

  • HamHamc00l
    HamHamc00l 9 годин тому +1

    Tbh why couldn’t Boeing make the wheels taller instead of moving the engine higher just saying..

    • DOT DOT
      DOT DOT 9 годин тому

      Weight

  • ManDudeYeah
    ManDudeYeah 9 годин тому

    This is one way money kills people. Good job, guys.

  • Alexander Federowicz
    Alexander Federowicz 10 годин тому

    THIS COULD ALSO HAVE BEEN A CORPORATE WARFARE ACT BY THE CABAL AND AIRBUS WORKING TO CRASH BOEING STOCKS AND THIS HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE. THE E.U. IS THE CABAL... THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO NO ONE.... WISE UP AMERICANS....

  • anug14
    anug14 11 годин тому

    I wonder what the software engineer who wrote MCAS are thinking

  • shazam
    shazam 11 годин тому

    2 critical Wrong "facts" here. 1) The pilots did not have manual control of the plane or follow procedures, they left the auto-throttle at max power, which caused the airplane to go faster than it was allowed to. This made the situation worse. 2) What really doomed of the flight is that the pilots, after eventually turning off the MCAS, turned the MCAS back ON (with the electric trim)! It was on all the way to the ground with the throttles at max.
    What caused the MCAS to not operate correctly? It will take some time to determine that. Likely it was damage to the AoA "angle of attack sensor", which tells the MCAS how steep the airplane is climbing. While Boeing could have and should have made the MCAS better, in this case the pilots simply did not "fly the plane" or follow their training.

    Again the greedy "expert" news media puts out misinformation in order to get readers and advertising money.

    As for AIrbus' Eurocopter division, they have an issue with their largest helicopter where the rotor blades and hub simply fall off in flight, causing 2 fatal accidents killing dozens

  • Balaxane
    Balaxane 12 годин тому

    When I'm booking a flight. if it's Boeing, I choose a different flight.

  • Mark Shelly
    Mark Shelly 13 годин тому +1

    Nicely done video. Amazing to see 4.9K neg votes.

  • 8mywaythruit
    8mywaythruit 14 годин тому

    Another aviation expert weigh-in 😏

  • p- t
    p- t 14 годин тому

    Just a couple of questions. The MCAS was installed on the Max because of a concern the plane would tend to go too nose up, especially on take-off and ascent. I have not heard of any reports that the Max actually tends to do this in practice. Does anyone know if pilots have ever reported a tendency for the plane to go nose up, triggering an MCAS intervention? In other words, do we have any evidence that the nose up problem really exists at all, and if it does, do we have any evidence that the MCAS has ever kicked in properly as it was designed to do?

  • Yakav8r55m
    Yakav8r55m 14 годин тому

    For all those following this thread and looking to bad-mouth Boeing designs, I'm not aware of any modern air transport manufacturer that has not had at least one of their aircraft lost in mishaps/accidents stemming from either over-reliance to automated systems and or poor supervision and monitoring of such systems by air crews. Boeing has been working on a major update in the flight control software system in the Boeing B-737 800 Max series aircraft. The biggest part of that is the elevator stab trim will have stops so that MCAS cannot run nose down trim beyond the point where the pilot can recover the nose to level flight. Meaning that at its maximum stab trim run out, the pilot will still have elevator travel to raise the nose.

  • Super Se7en
    Super Se7en 14 годин тому +1

    If a plane goes down, NTSB will try their best to put the blame on pilots just like "SULLY", and he/she can be jailed, be stripped off their license and shamed their whole life. But if the company made a mistake, they just say "change the software and give training to pilots". Well done NTSB. That's justice right there.

  • Kevin Wilt
    Kevin Wilt 14 годин тому

    Aeroflot will still fly them. They flew the TU 154 for decades and that plane was a deathtrap.

  • Karl Lieck
    Karl Lieck 15 годин тому

    Haven't flown in a plane in over 20 years. Don't miss it one bit. Flying is still dangerous. It's the luck of the draw, baby. The luck of the draw.

  • Ryan Ray
    Ryan Ray 15 годин тому

    Prior those two crashes , there were thousands of flights with the 737 Max , none of them had a problem or crashed . How come we know so little who was flying those Two dooms 737 Max ? It was on the news , that voice record from black boxes reviled, that pilots instead save the plain they were PRAYING ! Plus they had only few hours of flying experience .
    Vox , please make next video about those pilots .

    • Antoine Carr
      Antoine Carr 13 годин тому

      Ryan Ray Actually, at least five American pilots had the same issues months before the Ethiopian crash, but the FAA ignored their complaints here’s a link:
      www.documentcloud.org/documents/5766398-ASRS-Reports-for-737-max8.html#document/p2/a486265

  • Joseph Emris
    Joseph Emris 15 годин тому

    5 thousand boeing employees disliked the video

  • GrandmaDidAnal
    GrandmaDidAnal 15 годин тому

    Sure it wasn't because they used molding clay to prop the plane up?

  • Björn Thor Gudmundsson
    Björn Thor Gudmundsson 15 годин тому

    not an expert on planes so im probably wrong but how much does it change to lengthen the planes landing gear? couldnt they have added the extra length necesary onto the suspension or whatever its called that the wheels are attached too (obligatory dont speak english natively)

  • Kye Lee
    Kye Lee 15 годин тому

    Why didn’t they just change the landing gear?

    • DOT DOT
      DOT DOT 9 годин тому

      Most likely weight it would throw the balance of the plane off which could would make the plane harder to fly and pilots dont want that

  • Alrighty
    Alrighty 16 годин тому

    2 hrs iPad training that's insane, when you know people's life is on high stakes

  • Antonio Aureliano
    Antonio Aureliano 16 годин тому

    The story of how the pressure to keep marketshare delivered a software with lack of usability, proper testing and risk assessment, combined with the absence of adequate training and intentional misleading as a sales strategy that killed 346 people.

  • John Benedict
    John Benedict 16 годин тому

    Blood money. Welcome to the globalized capitalist corporate world.

  • Greg Grayson
    Greg Grayson 17 годин тому

    The reason Boeing did what it did was their clear and unequivocal knowledge that they could act with impunity. That impunity is a direct effect of FAA corruption. And that corruption is a direct effect of public apathy and stupidity that posits the remarkably moronic argument that any real judgment stifles creativity and thus endangers progress and thus, yes you guessed it, the production of money! And only blood spilled can generate enough public outcry to effect any change but apparently there hasn't yet been enough gallons spilled.

  • NEHAR SHEIKH
    NEHAR SHEIKH 18 годин тому

    America is all about money..ask an IT professional in India...they can explain....so it's no different..all they care about is money....what are people's lives.... 3000 are born a second in US itself...who cares morons

  • Medice Zt
    Medice Zt 18 годин тому

    It is clearly Boeing faults. In addition, Boeing should pay for more than 720 planes grounded around the world, along with its life that's been taken

  • Miki Cavalcanti
    Miki Cavalcanti 18 годин тому

    I would rather fly on the Kitty Hawk than on the Boeing 737 Max 8.

  • Wilderf Romero
    Wilderf Romero 18 годин тому

    Crap! Training only on their IPAD?

  • Zukat0
    Zukat0 18 годин тому

    capitalism

  • Luigi Luigi
    Luigi Luigi 19 годин тому

    So what would happen if MCAS is disabled and at liftoff the pilot flies the plane at “too high an angle”? Disaster again?

    • DOT DOT
      DOT DOT 9 годин тому

      The pilot would hopefully be smart enough and skilled enough to pay attention and bring the nose of the plane down to avoid s stall and fly the plane full manual all the way to the destination, or for an emergency landing

  • 0000 0000
    0000 0000 19 годин тому

    Capitalism is the most deadly thing humans ever invented

    • Bill Wirt
      Bill Wirt 13 годин тому

      Capitalism is an economic system that, by extension, allows you to sit at your computer and comment on this video. If it was the most deadly thing humans ever invented we would not have the internet, computers, defective airplanes and a whole host of other "things" that man invented, manufactured and took to market thanks to that very thing called capitalism (the non-deadly variety).
      The other 2 economic systems are socialism and communism and we know how they have "enriched" the world over the years.

  • StojanovskiTV
    StojanovskiTV 19 годин тому

    Pushed it to soon, sounds American.

  • Min Yoongi
    Min Yoongi 20 годин тому

    and im scheduled for going on one in a few months. I actually hope the plane is still grounded so its cancelled. it better be fixed

  • Amit Sharma
    Amit Sharma 20 годин тому +1

    The top management of Boeing should be sent to jail. This was not an accident. This was murder !!

  • Patriot Indian
    Patriot Indian 21 годину тому

    Can someone describe, what was the reason for "Nose pointing too far upward". How exactly this is related to new Engine position.

  • Google is Trash
    Google is Trash 21 годину тому

    Boeing recklessly endangered and ended up killing people because they wanted to avoid being straight-forward about the new system.
    If Boeing is not thoroughly punished for this, and the responsible people fired and fined (especially the board, executives, supervisors, and anyone else in leadership positions), then justice will have failed to deliver punishment to the guilty.

  • john c
    john c 21 годину тому

    Now everyone is an Engineer. Including the one that made this video. It’s easy to say it was Boeing but truth is more complex than that and we need to wait for studies and field research work.
    Now everyone believes on everything someone claims as truth in this days.....

  • James Harris
    James Harris 22 години тому

    Ist that the American way greed over lives look at there healthcare

  • Wasim Sajzad
    Wasim Sajzad 22 години тому

    This is so sad

  • NyDeviant
    NyDeviant 22 години тому

    So people died over greed and money smh

  • Robbie Briggs
    Robbie Briggs 22 години тому

    This is absolutely ridiculous. BOEING NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS. The plane industry should not be based off of competition because stuff like this happens. Government needs to regulate this to a monopoly like utilities.

    • Bill Wirt
      Bill Wirt 12 годин тому

      Let your Congressman and Senators know how you feel. The only way our government is going to "regulate" the design and construction of aircraft such as the Boeing 737 Max is by legislative action...i.e. passing a law that does that very thing (good luck with that). Of course, once that is done, the price of those aircraft will rise disportionately to the economic impact of the laws that control that industry and then the airlines will begin raising airfares in order to pay for those same aircraft. We peons can then kiss air travel goodbye because it will be too expensive for us to afford. Ah, the domino effect of government intervention.
      Regarding utility monopolies, in my city there is only one: water, which we buy from the city. There are a handful of electric companies, a couple of gas companies, and 3 or 4 internet/TV companies which creates competition which helps keep prices down. Take away the competition...i.e. create a monopoly...and prices go up. That is an economic fact. Again, the domino effect of government intervention.

  • Reichsfüher - SS Leichttraktor
    Reichsfüher - SS Leichttraktor 22 години тому

    Remember the DC-10 Problems? Yeah the company that made them, McDonald Douglas, fixed them, the Boeing Company should fix this, as everything is.

  • Chase Janko
    Chase Janko 22 години тому +1

    It was pilot error both times. Nice try tho

  • I Drink Your Milkshake
    I Drink Your Milkshake 22 години тому +1

    We found this out well before this video was uploaded

  • MohammadReza Tayyebi
    MohammadReza Tayyebi 23 години тому

    واقعا باعث تأسفه.

  • Marko Mark
    Marko Mark 23 години тому

    Airbus no 1

  • Ashish Raina
    Ashish Raina 23 години тому

    Very well explained. This is such a shame. Direct result of greed and shrewd capitalism. Profits before human life.

  • emailshe
    emailshe День тому

    So sad. Proves that u can't fix everything with software. Not enough testing, training and denial of pilot's reports

  • G123S
    G123S День тому

    Another American company ditching safety for money.

  • Mia Flyer
    Mia Flyer День тому

    The larger issue is about choosing to live, to work and to play in a place where you don't have to fly away from. Now think about that before you get on a jet.

  • J.Y. Huang
    J.Y. Huang День тому

    Never fly by this plane.

  • johnfarmingdale
    johnfarmingdale День тому

    BS, it ripped apart in mid-air. Boeing saved money by hiring diversity people, green card holders.... aka "cheap labor" aka "Global trade" Boeing found a PR to spinning the problem so the real problem doesn't show up.

    • Bill Wirt
      Bill Wirt 12 годин тому

      And you know this how? Please share with us your attributions that support your statements.

  • Jayaraman Baskar
    Jayaraman Baskar День тому

    Obviously the answer is no regulation. So when more people die they will stop flying and it will fix the system. Right?

  • Dauphin K. Muteba
    Dauphin K. Muteba День тому

    Very informative video, you beat every report from the news...Thank you for your time.

  • James Ryan
    James Ryan День тому

    And they get away with deaths caused by their incompetence. "Make 'em pay".

  • Bob Bobby
    Bob Bobby День тому

    Don't fly the plane at 100% engine thrust, after takeoff, and you won't have problems with MCAS, fighting you back. SIMPLE! Max is not a fighter jet!!!

    • Bill Wirt
      Bill Wirt 12 годин тому

      And you know this because you are a pilot who has flown these airplanes?

  • Junhao Kuang
    Junhao Kuang День тому +1

    Completely disregarded all other factors why those planes crashed, and yet, people thought this is a good job.

  • Howe Trinh
    Howe Trinh День тому

    Did you réalisé people died, and a preventive measure is not mention to pilots. Boeing is implementing a criminal business model

  • Cliff Morgan
    Cliff Morgan День тому

    Because the “Pilots” didn’t know a memory item....
    Where the “OFF” switches were!

  • Ilham Bassam
    Ilham Bassam День тому

    Translate thai plzzz with brief of story. Thanks u

  • Neil Biswas
    Neil Biswas День тому

    This is poor systems engineering, with no realistic evaluation of the risk; the risk mitigation in this case is faulty and a patchup, without any heed to the fundamental flaw in the system design !

  • blahmooblah789
    blahmooblah789 День тому

    I like your videos but it please stop the scratchy cello music, tell that person theres too much rosin on their bow.

  • Andro345
    Andro345 День тому

    A plane that won't fly straight naturally is junk.
    Airbus all the way.

  • Mohamed Osman
    Mohamed Osman День тому

    at first it's a great video and i want to make video like that about another topics and i need drawing and photo like that at MIN 2.01

  • Snooby66
    Snooby66 День тому

    So, the "real reason" is the exact same thing that they've been telling us for weeks - bad MCAS

  • bansheemania
    bansheemania День тому

    So can we Say that the plane that Dissaperd a few years ago mh360? This happened

  • holcroft1969
    holcroft1969 День тому

    The whole world is just obsessed with money now.

  • Tobias George
    Tobias George День тому +1

    Far left lies and propaganda can't trust what you say

  • Espen Bøgh
    Espen Bøgh День тому

    I think a part of the problem comes by raising the engines on the wings, - if that's so then a software solutions to MCAS system will not fix the problem.Hopefully FAA will not accept any updates to the 7373 max 8 until the final report of the flyghtchras is releaset.If so FAA will be responsable if another accident with the 737 max 8.

  • OVTV
    OVTV День тому

    This is what happens when you deregulate and under fund agencies like the FAA, this should have been recertified as a whole new plane.

  • Dankrupt
    Dankrupt День тому

    im curious why you ignored the cargo plane (same plane) that crashed a week before these. probably because that one proved it was something else crashing the planes.

  • dandycliff2
    dandycliff2 День тому

    Boeing = Mass murderers.

  • Hossain al Fahad
    Hossain al Fahad День тому

    Safeguard become the killer (MCAS)
    Compete over money not Service and safety...

  • CarlosDuarte2007
    CarlosDuarte2007 День тому

    The explanation of the failure seems to be the opposite of the explanation given in the video. If the engine is higher and its line of force is closer to the center of gravity and its location changed more towards the front, the power and weight of the engine should have LESS effect in the rotation nose-up of the aircraft, and had to increase the tendency to roll nose down.
    It sounds like the aircraft will naturally will try to nose-down more than the previous version of the airplane, thus the so-called MCAS would need to compensate nosing the aircraft more UP, instead of down.
    Maybe the pilots were used to increase the attack angle by simply increasing the power in the old models and when they noticed that they did not have the same effect in the new model they disconnected the MCAS thinking it was the cause, but in fact they were increasing the effect of the nosing down.
    But still there is the possibility that it was a defect in the software that was designed for the previous model, that tried to correct the nose down by increasing the power of the engine (like in the previous models with lower engines) at certain point the MCAS was unable to correct the nosing down increasing the power because in this model the engine is higher, the computer assumed was a failure and after few minutes disconnected itself causing the aircraft to dive down because the new position and weight of the engines.
    If the MCAS disconnected suddenly, and the pilots were unaware pulling or pushing the elevators the aircraft may have stall or dive down very fast.

  • phapnui
    phapnui День тому

    Predatory capitalism at its best.

  • Anthony S
    Anthony S День тому

    Best thing people can do is to not fly on the 737 max. Boeing is heavily invested into this plane.

  • MoonlightSky
    MoonlightSky День тому

    Just call it the death plane.

  • Joel Diver
    Joel Diver День тому

    this is not the reason they keep crashing

  • Bryce
    Bryce День тому +1

    The armchair pilots are out in force in the comment section it would appear.

    • Robert van Piggelen
      Robert van Piggelen 8 годин тому

      You have to be a certified pilot to be critical about this? WHY

  • derkhaslol
    derkhaslol День тому

    So Airbus made a high-quality product. And then Boeing had to improvise with a quickly rushed product. Yet everyone bought the Boeing? It´s crazy how often this kind of thing happens.

  • Ktkahghi
    Ktkahghi День тому

    OPAL

  • XtraDankBoi
    XtraDankBoi День тому

    This comment section is filled with idiots who think everyone who works at bowing should get charged with over 300 counts of murder...

  • Big Baller
    Big Baller День тому

    346 lives = Infamy
    Are you happy Boeing?

  • J B
    J B День тому

    Surprised that they didn't blame President Trump!

  • Harun Suaidi
    Harun Suaidi День тому

    This is how dishonesty kills. If this is true, then it is Boeing, not the airlines, have the blood of the victims on their hands. People are rightly furious about this and the victim's families deserve all kinds of compensation of their loss.

  • Jack Thayer
    Jack Thayer День тому

    Um bullshit if you move the engine up without changing the the pitch of the engine it does the exact oposite of what your saying if you would like to learn about this check out mentor on youtube

  • lord of the rings lord
    lord of the rings lord День тому

    Japanese MRJ made a %20 efficient aircraft without killing people. You are loser boeing.

  • We're Full
    We're Full День тому

    let me guess? communism is the answer?

  • Abinash Roy
    Abinash Roy День тому

    🙏

  • Michael Cornelissen
    Michael Cornelissen День тому

    Clear case of negligence for both Boeing and US governance.

  • TheDarknessOfGames
    TheDarknessOfGames День тому

    I know let’s give our money away

  • Dub Dub Flub-A-Dub
    Dub Dub Flub-A-Dub День тому

    If you know anything about airplanes or aircraft manufacturers, you know that this video is scrutinizing Boeing for something that other manufacturers do too. It’s a sad thing that lives were lost, but its what happens when mistakes are made. I don’t like how this video makes Boeing the “bad guy” when they are not the only company to release new airplanes quickly to make profit.

  • Rob Dow
    Rob Dow День тому

    It takes only two switches, to turn off automated system.

  • Email Alpha
    Email Alpha День тому

    I am not stepping foot on a 737 MAX until the root cause has been 100% identified and a fix made. I need 100% transparency on this.

  • Hawk Who Knows All
    Hawk Who Knows All День тому

    This is Why Robotos can Never Exist..
    We HUMANs are the GODs..Only We Are the Most Superior Organism Ever Exists...
    Only We can FIX ,CREATE.....

  • Pizza Pockets
    Pizza Pockets День тому

    Don’t blame boeing for this. Many planes have similar autopilot features. The fact that one crew knew how to turn the autopilot stall protect feature off shows that information was published on the MCAS system. Pilot error on both accounts for failing to understand their A/C and POH. Tough but that’s how aviation works. Complacency in aviation breeds these kinds of accidents.

  • Thomas Conrow
    Thomas Conrow День тому

    The flight before Lion Air 610 had the same problem, the crew solved it and reported it to maintenance.

  • nukestrom
    nukestrom День тому

    Its an American engineering marvel, just like Chrysler that stalls its engines on freeways.