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This Train Station Has No Business Being This Good

  • Опубліковано 27 лис 2023
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    Serving coffee at Driebergen-Zeist in 1959
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    Bicycle Dutch - A public transport hub in the forest; station Driebergen-Zeist
    Bicycle Dutch - The reconstructed railway station Driebergen-Zeist
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    Driebergen-Zeist station before construction
    • Station Driebergen - Z...
    Cabview Holland - Driving into Driebergen-Zeist by train:
    • NEW! Driebergen - Zeis...
    Removing the old station:
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    Building the station in 16 days (Timelapse) @prorail
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    Pre-project renders
    • Animatie Driebergen-Zeist
    ProRail - Drie jaar bouwen aan landgoedstation Driebergen-Zeist
    • Drie jaar bouwen aan l...
    My first impressions when visiting Driebergen-Zeist:
    Nederlandse vertaling door Casper de With
    0:00 Intro
    0:41 Wow, what a nice station
    1:03 Context & history
    2:22 The before times
    3:22 Construction
    4:39 The transportation hub
    5:13 Bicycle parking
    6:10 Station design elements
    7:53 Bus station
    9:11 Not an urbanists paradise
    10:17 De auto's
    10:56 A proper cycling underpass
    11:51 Park 'n' Ride
    12:46 My complaints
    15:36 The wrap-up
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    17:27 Patreon & Nebula shout-out

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  • Not Just Bikes
    Not Just Bikes  2 місяці тому +398

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    • jadoei13
      jadoei13 2 місяці тому +19

      I just realised you don't blur out license plates. That's fine here, but if you ever cross the border into Germany make sure to do it, or some local might contact their lawyer asking you to take down the video. It would suck to have a great future video taken down because of it.
      Thanks for all the great content btw!

    • Visboer Anton
      Visboer Anton 2 місяці тому +2

      Can you do a video on how awful Lage Zwaluwe train station is?

    • Luuk Rutten
      Luuk Rutten 2 місяці тому

      Other stations on the same line like ede-wageningen are currently beeing renovated. So it may be worth a look. This station actually is in ede though. And the whole area is now full of new housing development.

    • Koushik Das
      Koushik Das 2 місяці тому

      I had to say that Utrecht has less people travelling in a train than a tear three( city with less than 100,000) City in India. Which is crazy because the Netherlands has a higher population density than India . Like ngp station which is in Siliguri a tear three City of West Bengal has a annual footfall of around 100,000,000 people per year which means almost 280 thousand people daily. which is more than the annual footfall of Utrecht which is 88,000,000 people per year. and our major stations like howrah and siyalda has which has annual footfall of almost 370 million people means more than 1 Millions of people use that train station daily.

  • TayZonday
    TayZonday 2 місяці тому +7417

    New York was originally called “New Amsterdam.” If only the Dutch had won, Americans could have this now!

    • Nes Meme
      Nes Meme 2 місяці тому +138

      I don’t know about that.( I meant the public transport part)

    • Bethany Bloomfield
      Bethany Bloomfield 2 місяці тому +424

      Why they changed it I can't say, people just liked it better that way!

    • Joentjee
      Joentjee 2 місяці тому +278

      funny seeing a true internet legend casually show up here talking about trains

    • wesb2410
      wesb2410 2 місяці тому +187

      @Nes Meme You'll be surprised to know that some of the NY neighbourhoods are still named after Dutch cities (Harlem and Haarlem).

    • Nes Meme
      Nes Meme 2 місяці тому +39

      @wesb2410no, I meant the public transport. Not the fact that ny was originally a Dutch colony.

  • Tom Kramer
    Tom Kramer 2 місяці тому +3533

    As one of the architects who designed the station (team Arcadis Architecture NL), many thanks @notjustbikes for your analysis and video of this station. You are interested in Urbanism, but also notice details like the old-new platform canopy detail and the light bike-parking. Yea, I'll excuse the glare of the glass ;). You analyze the problem and solution very accurately and notice many details we've laboured long on to incorporate. Even the temporary station that also took serious effort to design was mentioned! Thanks and I'll definitly look into your channel, it seems like a great way to scratch my urbanism itch now and then ;).

    • Hans van Lennep
      Hans van Lennep 2 місяці тому +209

      As a citizen who grew up in the area and who whitnessed the horror old train crossing, I would like to thank every architect, constructor and builder from the bottom of my heart! When I was a kid, I frequently asked myself why this crossing was not improved upon. Luckily, you guys took the challenge and made me a very proud Dutch citizen again. The train stations in the Netherlands have been improved upon a lot in the past decade. Impressive to see, but I'm especially proud to see that "my home station" is the most improved one.

    • Leticia Dáquer
      Leticia Dáquer 2 місяці тому +51

      I don't live in Holland but I already love you, sir, for this delight of a station you helped design. The saddest thing about this channel is that we keep wishing the whole world was as thoughtful as you guys. I'm Brazilian, I've lived in rural Italy and am currently living in Lisbon, and I cry a little at very video, wishing for things I can't have. Ah well.

    • D V
      D V 2 місяці тому +4

      Those stairs though...

    • TrulyMadly...Shallowly
      TrulyMadly...Shallowly Місяць тому +17

      Tom, as a regular passenger here who is used to good 'ov', I agree that Zeist is a marvel. Cycling is ridiculously improved here, too, and I love passing this place.

    • J Dillon
      J Dillon Місяць тому +18

      Seeing as you are an architect who designs train stations, I'd love to hear your thoughts on Southern Cross train station in Melbourne, Australia. It was rebuilt just under 20 years ago and at the time was considered an architectural marvel due to its wavy roof. However, it's not loved by passengers as much as by architects. In usability terms, there are many areas they got wrong.

  • Rami Spica
    Rami Spica 2 місяці тому +1476

    As a Japanese person, I am genuinely impressed. It's hard for less populated regions in Japan to be doing anything other than slowly withering away, so most of Japan's highlights of public transportation are in the more densely populated areas. The mix of nature, people, and trains in Driebergen-Zeist was eye candy, thank you for the video!

    • Joren Prins
      Joren Prins 2 місяці тому +57

      The thing is with The Netherlands, it is all really close by

    • Tuning3434
      Tuning3434 2 місяці тому +72

      The Netherlands is not impervious for this either though. Being small helps a lot, but Driebergen-Zeist works because it along one of the major non-Randstad railroad axis towards major cities Arnhem - Nijmegen in the East. And even still, Driebergen-Zeist is the city bordering the Randstad on the East. Especially in the South-west (Zeeland) and North-East (Friesland, Groningen, Drenthe, Overijssel) railroad-service is considerably more sparse, and communities are dwindling somewhat.

    • Evita
      Evita 2 місяці тому +53

      Its funny, as a dutch person the japanese public transport looks so nice and well organised. I feel like the practical and business oriented sides of both our cultures really connect on that area. I wouldn‘t be surprised if our past trade relations influenced that

    • Blanco
      Blanco 2 місяці тому +15

      The only less populated region in Netherlands is not where this station is. It's North and North East of the interior lakes. The rest of the country is entirely occupied by housing or developed farming

    • F. G.
      F. G. 2 місяці тому +26

      This isn't exactly a less populated or remote part. Yes these were two smaller towns, yet 85K people still generates a reasonable number of commuters. This is barely outside Utretcht (less than 10Km), it's less than 20Km from Hilversum which has notable large companies, and just over 30Km from Amsterdam (40min on the train). So these are effectively commuter "towns", more like neighbourhoods, and this is literally urban sprawl. Still, for what it is in terms of urbanism, the transport offer, the mobility planning and the design are excellent and an example that's it's possible to have good things even with challenging sprawl.

  • Bas Tange
    Bas Tange 2 місяці тому +1479

    Just a heads up as a Civil Engineer working for a construction company that works on Rail a lot (Strukton): These plannings where you have to do a ridiculous amount in a ridiculous sparse amount of time are par for the course in Rail construction in the Netherlands. ProRail has a contract with NS where the rail is only allowed to be offline for a (very) limited amount of time per year. Dutch Rail construction is one of the most efficient, most time constraint and often most innovative construction possible. I love it.

    • TregMediaHD
      TregMediaHD 2 місяці тому +23

      Groetjes van Traffic Support, how is Ede Wageningen going?

    • Erik Heijink
      Erik Heijink 2 місяці тому +15

      ​@TregMediaHDHet ziet er al aardig goed uit :)

    • AssBlasster9000
      AssBlasster9000 2 місяці тому +37

      Please bring your railroad building companies to North America!

    • Cyroy
      Cyroy 2 місяці тому +7

      Love having your guys in the hotel I work at!

    • John DoDo Doe
      John DoDo Doe 2 місяці тому +16

      As a user of public transit in Copenhagen, I suffer from rail leadership doing the exact opposite: Using construction authorization laws to inflict years of traffic chaos onto the entire population . Cars, busses, trains and even bicycle and walking traffic is maximally disrupted for many years to build projects that could and should be done with much less disruption . I recall with disappointment that our huge train bridge projects (Great Belt and Öresund) both shut down the busy ferry service _before_ opening the parallel bridge, for no reason at all .

  • Letters From Pluto
    Letters From Pluto 2 місяці тому +380

    This really just solidifies that there's no excuse for miserably bad public transit in my city of 1 million people. Absolutely incredible video

  • Janelle Rai
    Janelle Rai 2 місяці тому +543

    American structural engineer here. Love this! The exposed structure of the train station is really elegant. My great-grandparents are from the Netherlands. So refreshing to see good urban infrastructure. I’d definitely like this to be in the US too. Wish my taxes actually went towards infrastructure like this in the US…

    • Wiimeiser
      Wiimeiser 2 місяці тому +13

      Yeah, instead your taxes go to Bobby Kotick...

    • Eye Of Thundera
      Eye Of Thundera 2 місяці тому +28

      ​@Wiimeiserand trump and elin and bezos 😂, trickle down economy they say 😂

    • J3tzt bassman
      J3tzt bassman 2 місяці тому +2

      You and me both.

    • Ian Taakalla
      Ian Taakalla 2 місяці тому +2

      They were correct about labeling it “trickle down economics”. The emphasized part should have been how slow good change comes, if at all.

    • Erwin de Wit
      Erwin de Wit 2 місяці тому +2

      Well not really much at all as the trickle is a lot slower than the movement of most glaciers are .. Even though they seem to be moving pretty quickly these days by melting..

  • Pascal Besselsen
    Pascal Besselsen 2 місяці тому +2002

    I'm a Dutch architectural engineer and remember having visited this place during the renovation as an educational trip. BAM, the contractor company that got hired to tackle the project, shared some insights into the planning of the project.
    The hardest part was closing the station for as little time as possible, so they came up with the idea of preparing the train platforms as one solid piece. Which was unfeasible, so they constructed a system where they were slowly building parts of the platforms every day, and slowly wedged the finished part into its place. Whenever a bit of the platform was settled, they would start connecting other construction parts that would slide along, but would not be able to be connected and finished till it was completely done.
    The entire project took engineers over a decade, and the company had to build a temporary office next to it, where the engineers just worked from during its duration, being able to overlook their brainchild. The contractor company also came up with other new building techniques during this project, which they still apply in ongoing projects.

    • Ron Pedersen
      Ron Pedersen 2 місяці тому +86

      Worked a lot with Dutch engineers in offshore, lots of respect for the excellent planning and ingenuity.

    • Jesse Gee
      Jesse Gee 2 місяці тому +42

      It’s interesting to know why these projects cost so much 👍

    • joost00555
      joost00555 2 місяці тому +20

      I use this line a lot and remember that temp office. Didn't have to exit the train here, so I didn't bear witness to the construction, but that is real interesting

    • tk80 mufa
      tk80 mufa 2 місяці тому +28

      Kudos to our Dutch neighbors from Germany ! 👍🙌

    • Pwhnckexstflajizdryvombqug
      Pwhnckexstflajizdryvombqug 2 місяці тому +12

      Would you suggest that 10 years of planning and the high cost is a better deal than getting it open earlier, and cheaper, but having to close the station to trains for longer?

  • eveline braak
    eveline braak 2 місяці тому +530

    I was part of the projectteam of ProRail and am still very proud of the train station and bus station we build! Thanks for the great video.

    • Paul Beaucuse
      Paul Beaucuse 2 місяці тому +8

      Great job. I moved to the very south of The Netherlands and though I love it here, I miss the well-planed public infrastructure like this, very most people really need a car here to reach work in a reasonable time.

    • L3vines
      L3vines 2 місяці тому +1

      @Paul Beaucuse on the ZEEland side or? Its something im used to because i was born and raised there. Its the reason you saw alot more scooters here. Probly a bit less but not much now with the "new" rules that you need to do both a theory and practical exam.

    • TrulyMadly...Shallowly
      TrulyMadly...Shallowly Місяць тому +1

      Kudos to you. It is amazing

    • Jos van Zetten
      Jos van Zetten Місяць тому +1

      Een collega 🙂

  • SteeghoSaurus
    SteeghoSaurus 2 місяці тому +138

    "There are J, J bus platforms" Had me laughing uncontrollably

  • PewPewDragon
    PewPewDragon 2 місяці тому +428

    Even as someone who isn't knowledgeable in the subject, I can immediately feel how safe and inviting this space is. It's not so clean and high-tech that it feels sterile, rather its homey and almost alluring. A space that you don't mind wandering to even if just for a walk and no other reason. Would be great to see more of this in future infrastructure everywhere in general.

    • swegatron2859
      swegatron2859 2 місяці тому +26

      Homey enough but still not a place to loiter. Few benches, few corners to hang out in, places to sit are well exposed so homeless or teenagers wouldn’t appropriate the space. These are the biggest factors that make a train station feel safe

    • A
      A 2 місяці тому +10

      @swegatron2859I agree. And it’s still a bit boring and cold, the style of it isn’t to my taste. BUT I can 100% appreciate the design. Maybe with a couple more buildings nearby with apartments and shops, it’ll be a little busier and more welcoming

    • TheKnaeckebrot
      TheKnaeckebrot 2 місяці тому +7

      I think you can attribute that to all the curved design-feats here, as he mentioned the curved railroad-bridge instead of the old, brutalist flat surfaces & angles. Also being lowered in the ground creates a bit of a cozy, more natural space

    • Thomas Kilmer
      Thomas Kilmer Місяць тому +10

      @swegatron2859 And yet there are still benches and sheltered areas, and the benches aren't designed to be painful to sit on or lie across. It's social engineering for a transitory space, not a loitering space, without being hostile and making everyone's lives worse.

  • Cabview Holland Dutch Railways
    Cabview Holland Dutch Railways 2 місяці тому +104

    With your keen eye on detail, you make this station seem like the best in the world. To me, this was already the case before the reconstruction as my grandpa always took me here to watch trains. This must have been the holy place that inspired me to become a train driver many years later. I hated to see it being demolished, but indeed it is a huge improvement and I am so happy to see the original canopy has returned :-)

  • Bob Bruyn
    Bob Bruyn 2 місяці тому +188

    Great video. I'm a Canadian who has been living in the Netherlands for the last 30 years. I still thoroughly enjoy the great infrastructure, especially for biking. I don't think I would want to live anywhere else because of this. One additional thing. The NS publishes great hiking routes that start at the Driebergen-Zeist station so that you can come by train, hike, and then go back by train.

    • Mark van der Staay
      Mark van der Staay 2 місяці тому +17

      The NS hike from this station is also great! And within 3 minutes walking you're in a forest. Like WTF....

  • Coffee Panda
    Coffee Panda 2 місяці тому +3221

    Man, the social safety aspect deserves its own video. So important, and I was surprised (though I guess I shouldn't be) that the Dutch were way ahead of us in this area, too.

    • Jokes with Mitochondria
      Jokes with Mitochondria 2 місяці тому +63

      Dutch people are so nice too

    • Travel
      Travel 2 місяці тому +42

      @Jokes with Mitochondria hey bro i got curious by ur name so decided to check out your channel. Your channel is a hidden gem haha

    • Sterling Archer*
      Sterling Archer* 2 місяці тому +17

      @Travel thanks for pointing it out lol. Made my day just a bit better. We need more of these non bs channels

    • trump putin
      trump putin 2 місяці тому +21

      i like trains

    • Naomi Baron
      Naomi Baron 2 місяці тому +5

      ​@Travelthanks for pointing that out. I decided to subscribe to them.

  • Alexandre Ribeiro
    Alexandre Ribeiro 2 місяці тому +89

    Mobility planner in Lyon, France here. As usual, great video. However, maybe the lack of buildings around the station is on purpose. Construction is the 3rd biggest emmissions sector in Europe so new builds should be avoided unless absolutely nécessary. On top of that, thé station is historical, and the wooded areas seem To have been there for a long time, so its likely they have ecosystems that need to be preserved. I love that they didnt cut down the natural areas To build more stuff just because theres a train station into it...urban sprawl is one of the major causes at the source of climate change

  • Christopher_S
    Christopher_S Місяць тому +24

    They pulled off the downtime build in 16 days!? Woah. I'm no engineer, but watching that time-lapse was inspiring. It's amazing what humanity can achieve when we all work together as a team. This station is better than anything you'll find here in the UK too haha.

  • Sun Rae
    Sun Rae 2 місяці тому +74

    I truly believe people who can admire train stations could achieve world peace.

  • Mr. Soepgroente
    Mr. Soepgroente 2 місяці тому +68

    Another thing that is great about this station: the NS has a number of hikes on their website where you can walk from one train station to another. They are called an “NS Wandeling”.
    There is one that starts at Driebergen-Zeist and goes to the next station (Maarn). You walk through a beautiful piece of forest, it takes about three hours (15 km). Walked it a few weeks ago and I can recommend it!
    NS doesn’t need to offer these hiking routes, but they do. And that’s something deserving of a shout-out!

    • Jon Knight
      Jon Knight 2 місяці тому +7

      Something we're seeing increasingly in the UK is train companies supporting Community Rail groups mapping out similar walks between two stations. Some are obviously more scenic than others, but getting the local community to map out routes on footpaths, cycle tracks, bridle paths, etc means there is local knowledge put into the chosen routes (eg the better, less muddy path or which pub is nicer to stop off at for a drink).
      My "adopted" station (Stratford-upon-Avon Parkway) for example is near the old canal, so there's a pleasant walking route both into the town centre and also out to the village of Wilmcote, which is also has a station (and the major tourist attraction of Mary Arden's Farm, part of the Shakespeare Birthplace Trust's properties). My "local knowledge" top tip is to take the train to Wilmcote and then walk back to Parkway station, because that way you get to walk *down* the Wilmcote Flight of locks on the canal, rather than up it!
      In case anyone from the UK (or visiting the UK) reads this, I should probably also do a quick shout out to the Slow Ways movement in the UK. They're mapping "slow" walking routes between towns to form a national walking network. Check out the routes at beta.slowways.org/Allroutes

    • A
      A 2 місяці тому +2

      @Jon Knightah this is so good to know! My local station is on the Stratford-upon-Avon line too (I usually travel in the direction of Moor St). Nice to meet a neighbour in the comments:)

  • Stephen Dunmore
    Stephen Dunmore 2 місяці тому +142

    Hi Jason, I'm a 72 yr old and a major admirer of your work. I am very familiar with the Netherlands having lived in Amsterdam during the 1970s. Where I got around on a bicycle, tram and bus -never considered owning a car, I was born and brought up in ''old London" and like you have lived and worked in major cities in many countries- including mainland China . When i came back to the States in 2015 from 8 years in China. i had gotten used to Chinese cities filled with people up until midnight and beyond - I returned to Seattle and it was ghostly at night except for a few scattered neighborhoods. Seattle's Metro bus system ( considered one of the better systems in N.America), is based on the familiar 'Spoke and Wheel Approach,' is great during Mon-Fri commuting - However, during off peak hours, its a whole different story - in some cases 20-30 minute waits. Its even worse in suburbia. I now own a small 18 year old pick up truck. But, I hate having to drive 2 miles from my small apartment to buy basic supplies - On some days i ride my bike to the supermarket - having nearly been nearly hit by 'idiots in monster trucks,' and odd stares, while I continue to lock my bike up next to steel gate at the market. no bike racks and like many shopping areas the parking lot is twice the size of the supermarket . i continue to ride my bike in protest to the ugly pick up truck and SUV mentality that now exits on N.American roads . . Its odd to me how North Americans see biking as a recreational sport - It seem to this "old Geezer. " To ride a bike in may North American cities - The bike as to cost over $3K- Then you have to have spend another few hundred bucks on the right clothing- a bike rack for your SUV and so on . When I watch your Amsterdam videos - They bring back fond memories . I plan to visit Amsterdam next year - and you never know I might once again fall in love with a city that cares a lot more about people than cars - and it would nice to never go back to N. America and its 1950s car centric society.

    • Simone van Muiswinkel
      Simone van Muiswinkel 2 місяці тому +7

      Welcome to come back here in A'dam!

    • eveline braak
      eveline braak 2 місяці тому +19

      I know, I also biked in the U.S. to the grocery store on the edge of the town, (this was in Carrboro, NC, which is quite biker friendly). It felt so unsafe, there was no decent spot to cross the roads near the store and I felt like a freak (a poor freak who can't afford a car). That really made me reapriciate Holland! So I moved back.

    • Addis Dejene
      Addis Dejene Місяць тому +1

      @eveline braak Netherlands is the whole country name but holland is a region.

  • Pieter Puk
    Pieter Puk 2 місяці тому +1574

    I have quite a bit of knowledge about this station since my sister in law was part of the project on the municipal side. There are good reasons why there is little development on and around the station. They can be summarized as follows: 1. it is surrounded by naturally and historically significant areas that are to be preserved. 2. it is meant to connect the regional populations to the larger cities on the Rhijnspoorweg, not to invite city dwellers to work in the rurality. 3. The renovation was started not to make the train station better per se, but to alleviate the area's position as a chokepoint for intercity trains that got stuck behind sprinters as well as for car traffic moving to and from the highway and between the more rural localities.
    To begin with, the station is situated at the northern edge of an estate (de Reehorst) comprised of two older historical estates. Both situated along the culturally and historically significant "Stichtse Lustwarande". A "line" of estates where the old nobility and higher middle class would have their outside-the-city homes, many of which have been granted to hospitals, typhoid recovery places, elderly care and asylums for the mentally infirm and others have now become educational or office locations. This makes the south side of the tracks already unfit for large scale development in order to keep the rural/natural character and historical value, while it already has a unique distinct market position on the business use market. On the north and eastern side, most of the land is part of the national forests of the Utrechtse Heuvelrug and thus count as protected nature, including most of the Landgoed Heidestein (another estate). In the westward direction, it runs into more historical estates; Rijnwijck and Wulperhorst. There really isn't much development possible that wouldn't take big chunks of historically, culturally and ecologically significant areas. The area as it is now also separates the local identities of Zeist and Driebergen, a character that the local population is not keen to do damage by connecting the two towns with a "city center". This also distinguishes it from something like Kampen zuid, where the development of the area was already slated to happen as part of a natural expansion of the town. There is of course some development planned, but it won't take the shape of a massive-as-possible urbanized area.
    The station is mostly meant to service a regional population to go into the city of Utrecht and further into the Randstad or to any of the towns on the Rhijnspoorweg between Utrecht and Arnhem. Given the cost and hassle of using cars to enter big cities, the station is already well-used by commuters. Insofar people from the cities come to this station, they usually come for the natural environment; to walk or cycle in the forests. Therefore, putting the forests further out would be counter-productive. Also, don't underestimate how many rural population the station serves. People come from all the way in Wijk bij Duurstede. It is indeed a true regional hub already.
    The renovations where started because of the imminent need to alleviate 2 traffic choke points: The rail traffic one where intercities between Arnhem and Utrecht would routinely get stuck behind the sprinters. And the road traffic one where the N225 connection to the A12 highway was strongly congested in part due to the crossing you mentioned in the first part of the video, causing "sluipverkeer" throughout the smaller roads and neighborhoods causing safety issues. This meant that the budget for the renovation far exceeds what would normally be available since many different budgets could be drawn from, municipal, railway, provincial and national (through Rijkswaterstaat). In a sense, the greatness of this renovation follow from the multimodal issues that preceded it. Don't be discouraged though, the solution is well-documented and we will see the lessons learned return in the designs of new stations and renovations of existing ones for decades!

    • Peter Slegers
      Peter Slegers 2 місяці тому +82

      Great addition.

    • Einstein X
      Einstein X 2 місяці тому +89

      I fully agree that with this particular station it would be a huge waste to develop the area around it. I also agree that if there is any development to be done anywhere in the country it must be around transport hubs, but not at this particular location. Neither around a station like for example Overveen or Hollandse Rading. Those little forest stations ought to remain tranquil and green as they serve an important service of providing a green escape to many urbanites.

    • jlammetje
      jlammetje 2 місяці тому +32

      So true. I wanted to comment about the preserved nature around it, but your comment contains so much more detail than I could’ve provided 🙂

    • Kutter_TTL
      Kutter_TTL 2 місяці тому +67

      This comment needs to be pinned. It's really great insight into the design of the station.

    • Justice
      Justice 2 місяці тому +15

      Great and valuable addition!

  • Djole011
    Djole011 Місяць тому +18

    Man, your excitement in the intro made me tear up. Myself being from a highly corrupted country, whenever I go abroad to a place that has railway/metro and organized infrastructure I get overwhelmed with similar joy.

  • Harold Smith
    Harold Smith 2 місяці тому +46

    NJB, you are doing important work. People in North America are (gradually) learning. Please don't stop doing what you do.

  • VerdigrisTrees
    VerdigrisTrees 2 місяці тому +33

    Besides the infrastructure itself, the most impressive thing about Dutch projects has to be the construction time. I've seen these timelapses on UAclips my whole life, and it's amazing each time. Meanwhile it took my city in the US about 2 years to build a single glorified tram platform in a busy area.

    • Tuning3434
      Tuning3434 2 місяці тому +2

      Those 24/7 projects are generally reserved for the critical part of these kind of infrastructure projects, that involve closing down the railroads / highway sections. We really try to avoid closing down major infrastructure arteries for a long time. This part of the track is biggest artery connecting to the major cities in the east of the countries and Central Germany, and closing it down for a longer time would add 1hr+ on the detour, likely resulting in people switching over to a car instead.
      The Netherlands has grown from a 5 million to almost 18 million from 1900 to present day, and if we don't want to turn our entire historical dominant West side of our country in an huge metropolitan area, all major arteries become critical and there is pressure to keep traffic flowing.

    • A
      A 2 місяці тому +1

      This train station took ten years! It’s just that so much of that came to planning and preparation that when it came to construction, the station only had to be closed for two weekends. I’m jealous of the efficiency too, here in the UK an old train line in my local area is being reopened and an abandoned station brought back into use. It was originally supposed to open in 2022 but still isn’t finished. At least it’s not causing any disruption in the meantime!

  • Mavadelo
    Mavadelo 2 місяці тому +113

    So I was checking your description and noticed your last link. The title of that video actually explains why there is no development going on around Drievergen - Zeist. It is a "Landgoed Station" (Estate station). It is situated in a area (probably with historic significance for either country or region) where you can't just "build a neighborhood". Many people will come to that station specifically because it is situated in the middle of one of the Netherland's bigger nature areas (Gooi, Eemland em Vechtstreek). That is why it has 6 trains an hour both directions, has a big bike parking with e-bikes for rental. It offers direct bike access to het Gooische and Hilversumse bos, de Hoge en Lage Vuursche. De Gooische, Ankeveense, 'S-gravenlandse and Vechtse plassen. Several smaller woods, small towns. Some of the best cycle routes to Utrecht, Hilversum and Amsterdam. You don't want neighborhoods there.

    • Simone van Muiswinkel
      Simone van Muiswinkel 2 місяці тому +13

      Exactly, that's the reason, and the surroundings are a protected area.
      The station wasn't even meant for recreation purposes, it just happened to be on the second oldest amd largest train lines from the Netherlands (the Rhijnspoorweg, built halfway the 19th Century, from Amsterdam to Utrecht and Arnhem into Germany).

    • Thijs Frauenfelder
      Thijs Frauenfelder 2 місяці тому +10

      Sorry, but as someone who has lived in Hilversum, this is not anywhere near the places you mentioned. The closest would be lage vuursche which is 16 km away, ankeveen is 30 km. It definitely has nice natural areas close to it, but not those.

    • SiqueScarface
      SiqueScarface Місяць тому

      If the place around a train station is not developed for 150 years, there is a reason for that. Just rebuilding the station will not change the reason why the place was not developed for so long.

    • Dennis den Hartog
      Dennis den Hartog Місяць тому +3

      This is the National Park Utrechtse Heuvelrug region

  • Mike Newman
    Mike Newman Місяць тому +32

    Crying here in the UK as our government cancels high speed rail projects, plans for ULEZ zones, Low traffic neighbourhoods and 20mph urban speed restrictions. All because they held on to a seat in a by-election and are scared of the motorist lobby

  • Ideally Jekyl
    Ideally Jekyl 2 місяці тому +1301

    I've watched this 17 times and I can say, this is definitely a certified not just bikes classic

    • Ideally Jekyl
      Ideally Jekyl 2 місяці тому +51

      Also I'd like to know how to move to the Netherlands.

    • haz
      haz 2 місяці тому +4

      Lies and Deception

    • haz
      haz 2 місяці тому +3

      @Ideally Jekyl Tunnel

    • LeafHuntress
      LeafHuntress 2 місяці тому +48

      @Ideally Jekyl We're not a paradise & have our own problems.
      But if you're an USAian, you could look into DAFT. Yes, i know it's a rather daft name for a treaty.
      Depending on your qualifications you could also try to get a job, lots of companies are hiring.
      If you have Irish or Italian heritage, you could try to get their passport & because of the EU, you then have the right to live & work in the Netherlands.
      All of these come with their own specifications, rules & regulations.
      Oh & be prepared to be let down. The weather is often considered awful, grey, windy & wet.

    • Luke W
      Luke W 2 місяці тому +26

      A 17 minute video 17 times in 2 hours! Broke time barriers!

  • Filip Krygsman
    Filip Krygsman 2 місяці тому +40

    I live in Australia and have been for 50 years. My parents used to live in Doorn, about 5 km east of Driebergen. So as a young man I used that railway station on a regular basis from the mid sixties to the early seventies.
    Many thanks for this video. The place truly looks fantastic. Brought about good memories. It’s a gorgeous district.

  • Jurjen Bos
    Jurjen Bos 2 місяці тому +17

    Thanks for mentioning cross platform transfers. They're not only for your train connection. In fact, cross platform transfers are very common. One other trick used by NS is making distances between stations exactly half an hour of train travel apart, so that you can switch trains both ways without waiting for your connection at many stations.

  • Appeldruif
    Appeldruif 2 місяці тому +26

    One thing that should be added about this station, the old re-used pillars, which were a big hassle to keep in the modern setup, due to them being very old and not the best quality, actually have World War 2 bullet holes in them. The story goes the germans shot at a plane that flew over the station one time.
    So if you are standing there, waiting for your train, you can take a minute and spot the bullet holes, which I think is pretty kool! (small hint, they are on the side heading towards Utrecht)

  • MC-S - Special Camera Systems
    MC-S - Special Camera Systems 2 місяці тому +11

    Hello! I used to reside near that area and had friends who lived in the houses you mentioned, including near the car dealership. An interesting challenge in that area is that the municipal boundary between Zeist and Driebergen cuts through those homes. This means a house might be in Driebergen while its neighboring house could be in Zeist. This poses challenges for construction, as the building regulations differ between the two towns. While the Netherlands boasts many top-tier infrastructure projects, there's certainly room for improvement at the local government level, especially when multiple municipalities are involved!

  • daveharruk
    daveharruk 2 місяці тому +19

    Compared to some of the stations I use most often in the UK such as Edinburgh Waverley,Haymarket and Darlington,this is a breath of fresh air. Not just because it has way more cycle parking and to a higher standard,but the connections have been so well planned too. I will keep these designs in mind for future consultations as it makes it the new gold standard for me. Oh yes,and Utrect Centraal is great too

  • Alex Dimopoulos
    Alex Dimopoulos 2 місяці тому +362

    I've watched this J times to pay homage to the abundant infrastructure.

    • osasunaitor
      osasunaitor 2 місяці тому +27

      I wish I could like this comment J times but unfortunately youtube only allows 1 like

    • Jacob Bax
      Jacob Bax 2 місяці тому +8

      I watched it "I" times, but there is no "I" in Driebergen-Zeist

    • Jaume Genaro
      Jaume Genaro 2 місяці тому +15

      @osasunaitor Missed opportunity to say " youtube only allows A like"

    • osasunaitor
      osasunaitor 2 місяці тому +6

      @Jaume Genaro goddamn you are right, not even in Z years I would have thought of that

  • Tom Tukiainen
    Tom Tukiainen Місяць тому +6

    Love how you get excited about great planning. I think people rarely understand how much work it takes for things to operate smoothly. Engineers are rockstars! Keep up the good work.

  • TheGreat Watermeluntje -w-
    TheGreat Watermeluntje -w- 2 місяці тому +23

    I absolutely loved you talk so happy about a train station. So simple in most peoples eyes, yet you make it seem like it could be from the king himself, really makes me appreciate trainstations more. I didnt even know about the history of the train station and I have lived in the netherlands my whole life lol😂😅

  • Deliläs
    Deliläs 2 місяці тому +22

    15:11 When I went on a trip to the netherlands a year ago, I planned to have 20+ Minutes for each transfer. Picture me surprised when I see the previous train to the one I was planning to take on the opposite side of the platform I'm standing on. I arrived at my destination an hour early and thats for an 8 hour trip across borders and with more than 4 transfers!

  • Firedog1111
    Firedog1111 2 місяці тому +13

    I lived in Amsterdam for 4 years at the turn of the century (this one!). I had friends in Zeist and often traveled there by train. I had a pleasant memory jolt when you showed the old station; I remember it well. Thank you for your videos. I really enjoyed my time in the Netherlands and it always brings a smile to my face when you show or talk about places that I am familiar with. Such a great well-thought-out country. No space is wasted there and the Dutch can build anything out of bricks and sand. Danje wel.

  • Ifer
    Ifer 2 місяці тому +6

    I lived in Driebergen when this started, so I've lived though the old, the temporary and the new train station. It was pretty cool to see the progress and to see the end result come to life!
    I agree that the surrounding area needs to be redeveloped. The nature / park is fine as is and representative of the greater Driebergen area, but the old houses and low density commercial buildings deserve some attention.

  • Kerngezond
    Kerngezond 2 місяці тому +657

    Watching this I realised how spoiled I am as a Dutch person. I visit this station only sporadically, and the first time I visited since the revamp I was like "hmm, is it me or did they revamp the station, 'cause it looks better than last year", and carried on with my day like nothing happened.

    • Paulo Pinto
      Paulo Pinto 2 місяці тому +14

      First time and only time I was ever there it was because I had failed to switch in Utrecht and had to get back ... Not the most pleasant experience, but now I know that I could've taken a walk in the forest while I waited !

    • D
      D 2 місяці тому +21

      I get you though... when you live in The Netherlands every day and grew up there like I did too, it's all just normal. It's only when you spend time abroad, or live abroad like I did, that you see everything with different eyes coming back.

    • nomadben
      nomadben 2 місяці тому +13

      ​@DI am envious of you. I'm an American, so I had the opposite experience. Going abroad makes me so frustrated and depressed when I return home. Where I live is pretty much the exact opposite of this video in every way.

    • Kerngezond
      Kerngezond 2 місяці тому +3

      @D I understand that. I never go abroad apart from the sporadic holiday, and these stories are not motivating me to change that. 😆

    • Kerngezond
      Kerngezond 2 місяці тому +3

      @nomadben Move to the Netherlands then. Our countryside is not by far as beautiful as some places in the new world, but apart from that living here is quite nice.

  • ziggyziggyziggy
    ziggyziggyziggy 2 місяці тому +10

    I'm Dutch, have always been very interested in our railways and been working at ProRail for almost fifteen years now, but I never heard the coffee family story before. Thanks for teaching something nice every video!

  • Sanchises
    Sanchises 2 місяці тому +7

    I think you ought to visit the south of The Netherlands sometimes. Take the fast train from Amsterdam-Rotterdam-Breda and transfer to Breda-Tilburg-Eindhoven. Each of these stations is unique (and all recently renovated) - from the Rotterdam "kapsalon" metal facade to the Breda station which has an indoors bus station at platform level and a P+R on the roof, to Tilburg with a library and food hall built in former train maintenance buildings, to Eindhoven where all intercity trains are same-platform transfers, and the bus station goes up to "L" (not to mention the surrounding areas - in Breda they removed a parking garage to reinstate the old canal which has no other function than to just look nice).

  • Peter Timowreef
    Peter Timowreef 2 місяці тому +8

    This channel makes me appreciate so many things I took for granted and it genuinely makes me appreciate my life better.
    Like at 11:53. The nice entry, a few curves, a bunch of pallet wood slapped to the side and those bits that stick out at irregular intervals to break up the visual monotony. So many places around the world a building with this function would just be a concrete box with holes.

  • xuedi zhang
    xuedi zhang Місяць тому +7

    You should have a website with a map & markers for all the stations & locations you have reviewed, so people can choose the videos from there and you feel engaged to review all the stations in the world ^_^

  • Helmuth Feide
    Helmuth Feide 2 місяці тому +11

    As a railway engineer i absolutely agree that this Station is beautiful

  • MegaMGstudios
    MegaMGstudios 2 місяці тому +571

    Love the appreciation the classic Dutch tradition of "Not caring about where you can and cannot park your bike" gets.

    • Simon Petrikov
      Simon Petrikov 2 місяці тому +21

      Almost everybody cares. It's just that so many people have a bike. There's bound to be a couple rule breakers.

    • BuonJorno
      BuonJorno 2 місяці тому +6

      @Simon Petrikov In addition, sometimes there are so many bikes that you have no other choice...

    • Jonathan
      Jonathan 2 місяці тому +61

      a sign with "dont park your bike here" is foremost a solid steel pipe to lock your bike safely.

    • Captain Chaos
      Captain Chaos 2 місяці тому +7

      You do take a risk though. Those bikes _do_ get cleared, at unpredictable moments.

    • Socrates_Comedian Goes_Somewhere
      Socrates_Comedian Goes_Somewhere 2 місяці тому +3

      @Jonathan usually in the perfect place for a run in and go stop too!!

  • meantares
    meantares 2 місяці тому +8

    I’ve been following your channel for a long time and it’s been my educational source for things urban transport infrastructure.
    Here in Berlin, they are trying to turn the clock back: removing bicycle lanes, stopping or cancelling all new bicycle lane construction, making existing leaves narrower where they had been broadened.
    It would be great if you would cover this in some form in one of your videos. It may be come over to Berlin and hold a talk or two.

  • Dejan Ćebetarević
    Dejan Ćebetarević Місяць тому +7

    Several years ago the level crossing in the city of Sremska Mitrovica (Serbia) was reconstructed just like the one in the video - including the half-drop path for cyclists and pedestrians 😊

  • aussieevonne
    aussieevonne 2 місяці тому +5

    I live in The Netherlands and am pretty happy to be here, but you take it to a whole other level with your enthousiasm. I love it. It inspires me. Thanks. I hadn't realised that Driebergen-Zeist station had been upgraded. Last time I was there was about 15 years ago, and it wasn't great then. Looks great now.

  • Jonathan
    Jonathan 2 місяці тому +6

    i remember passing the driebergen-zeist station by train during the construction phase a couple of times. and i was really wondering what the hell they are doing there. It looked like they wanted to build a particle accelerator or something. everything was digged open, big cranes, flashlights and randomly placed concrete islands and disconnected steel beams as far as you could see.
    This is actually the first time i see the finished project. looks like it turned out to be not too bad.

  • MennoM.L.
    MennoM.L. 2 місяці тому +4

    For years I passed trough this station while riding my bike to school and I have witnessed the whole renovation first hand. The progress that was made is incredible and the new station has been a masive improvement. In my eyes the only large mistake that was made is how theres no clear crossing on the bikepath between the bike garage and the stairs creating some really close calls between crossing pedestrians and cyclists that are speeding down into the tunnel.

  • PieterS
    PieterS 2 місяці тому +562

    As a Dutchmen I think the area around the station DZ is probably dedicated nature. Not all stations need to have a build-up area around it. Even if it would be convenient.

    • Albert Zonneveld
      Albert Zonneveld 2 місяці тому +56

      Ok but a car dealership is not good use of the land next to a train station. Could be a good place for a regional office of some kind

    • K R
      K R 2 місяці тому +18

      The surrounding area looks like a big nature reserve yes. But near the station, perhaps that or the zoning is not for housing. If it is land with certain pollution levels, then they cannot be used for agricultural or residential use. Maybe they can be used for flats without gardens or industrial use.

    • Tristan Ridley
      Tristan Ridley 2 місяці тому +36

      The area around it has a lot of low density development, which has the same impact on the natural environment as high density development, but with less human benefit.
      Keep the forest and parks, build the human things bigger and better.

    • Gerbrand Lub
      Gerbrand Lub 2 місяці тому +18

      I think you're partly right. Mind you, I'm not involved in this project or with the municipality but I did assist with some unaffiliated projects in the area (the national military museum close by being the biggest). There were so many hoops to jump through when it came to environmental factors, getting permits for buildings etc that it was barely doable for this huge team of experienced project-people including the ministry, the contractor, etc. The soil, the plants, the animals, they're all deservedly well protected as they're a unique eco-system. So, for your averae project developer just buying land and plonking a building there... it will not be easy.

    • ramdynebix
      ramdynebix 2 місяці тому +21

      The car dealership, houses, petrol station and restaurant have probably all been there in some shape or form for almost 100 years. It’s amazing that the business park is there, considering the status of the surrounding area.

  • RobertVE3VPL
    RobertVE3VPL 2 місяці тому +5

    Train station as "destination" is kind of a neat idea. I haven't been back in several years but the VIA rail station in Quebec City (Gare du Palais) used to have a coffee shop/sandwich joint in it whose food and coffee were so good, it would be a decent place to just go to even if you weren't catching a train. And the interior of the station is (was) quite attractive too, worth visiting. I hope it's still like that. I grew up in Montreal, went to school in Fake London, worked in Toronto for 25 years and now live in Ottawa. Now that I am older, I am even more beginning to miss good train service in my life. More and more I hate driving, and I can see a time when I won't want to drive anywhere at all, which means that my movement options will be limited. Aside from all the other good reasons not to depend on cars, a car-based culture is horrible for seniors.

  • Niels
    Niels 2 місяці тому +5

    As a Dutch person who had never been to Driebergen-Zeist a dream came true last year when I had to go there by train last year. Truly a bucket list event for all of us Dutchies

  • Tim Bryan
    Tim Bryan 2 місяці тому +3

    It would be cool if you did a video examining just how close people can comfortably live to a train rails. I know there's a track in Japan that runs right through a building, but I think making more people aware of how to design transit-oriented housing would be a good topic.

    • Helen Swan
      Helen Swan 2 місяці тому

      I have often lived very near railway lines, so that the trains rattled the teacups. I like it!! and owls and bats love railway embankments. But it's not everyone's cup of tea, as we say in UK.

  • Ronku
    Ronku 2 місяці тому +5

    I had something similar when I had internships earlier this year, I biked for 2 minutes to my station, have a direct connection with Amsterdam Amstel, I had to be at Bijlmer ArenA because that station was closest but no train would go directly there, but the genius thing about Amstel is that on the same platform you have a railway and a metro, so I go by metro to Bijlmer and then had a 4 minute walk from there. The planning is genius and I am really happy about that, made stuff a lot more doable

  • Casper8855
    Casper8855 Місяць тому +2

    I literally live in Zeist, so to see our train station highlighted and praised by you is nice to see. Before the transformation it was a real traffic jam (as you point out), during the construction it was even worse..... but now it is truly an ideal small train station that doesn't hold up any traffic.

  • Jacob. A
    Jacob. A 2 місяці тому +589

    As somebody who uses this train station on a weekly basis it is very gratifying to see a huge UAclips channel like this dedicate an entire video to it!

    • Neil Forbes
      Neil Forbes 2 місяці тому +28

      Yeah I kept looking for myself in the crowds lol

      CODING EXPRESS 2 місяці тому +3

      This channel made me love Armsterdam!

    • haha falseflag
      haha falseflag 2 місяці тому +4

      Can you tell me if the people in the Netherlands know how good they have it with bicycle infrastructure compared to the world?

    • Vecida.
      Vecida. 2 місяці тому +14

      ​@haha falseflag I'll be honest with ya.
      When I was around 8yo, and even now, I thought that all countries had these bike lanes...

    • haha falseflag
      haha falseflag 2 місяці тому +2

      @Vecida. this doesn't exist in the usa

  • David
    David 2 місяці тому +2

    I used to live in Zeist between 2010-2015 and experienced the horrible old design in all that time. I recently moved close to Zeist and was amazed by the redesign. It is executed so well. Thanks for the video!

  • CNM
    CNM 2 місяці тому +4

    It's always inspiring to see well-designed infrastructure. You put in the same materials as a shitty place, but through careful design and planning you end up with something much more valuable.

  • Merijn Passchier
    Merijn Passchier 2 місяці тому +9

    The Rhijnspoorweg (Rhine Railway, using the old Dutch spelling for the river Rhine) was constructed between 1843 & 1856 Between Amsterdam Weesperpoort (It's old terminal station wich was on the sight of what is now the intersection of Mauritskade & Wibautstraat under wich the Metro now runs) and Emmerich in Germany via Utrecht & Arnhem by the NRS (Nederlandse Rhijnspoorweg Maatschappij/Dutch Rhine Railway Company).
    When the railway was envisaged, the entire point was getting goods trains from the coal mines in the Rhur area to what was then the main harbour in Amsterdam and then get precious goods back to the big cities in Western Germany and also express traffic wich meant they preffered a railway that was as straight as possible.
    Local passenger transport was of secondary importance and it was therefore not important to have stations close to villages along the way (There used to be a competing railway line to Zeist that branched off at Bilthoven wich closed to passengers in 1941 and was broken up in 1972).
    The Rhine Railway later also build a branch to The Hauge via Gouda (They first constructed what would become The Hauges Central Station), the branch from Gouda to Rotterdam (with it's own Delftsche Poort station that is now gone too) and the odd single track line between Woerden - Alphen a/d Rijn and my hometown of Leiden.
    The original line between Amsterdam, Utrecht and Arnhem and connecting onwards to Düsseldorf is to this day the mainline used by ICE trains in The Netherlands.

  • Valkyrie
    Valkyrie 2 місяці тому +3

    I got the chance to live in Netherlands for a semester during my exchange. I have to say I am really impressed at how nice every station is, even one that is seemingly in the middle of nowhere.
    I am also impressed at how synced the schedule of buses and trains on GMaps, it really do helps.

  • shadowrodney
    shadowrodney 2 місяці тому +3

    It's funny how much excited and amazed you are at something most of us take for granted (me included) we always complain about the train being late or cancelled xD but here you are excitingly covering it in a whole near 18 minutes of video.

  • Spiritual Anarchist
    Spiritual Anarchist 2 місяці тому +332

    I think a lot of Dutch people, (like me) like this channel because sometimes it takes someone from the outside to make you see what's in front of you the whole time. This channel shows me parts of the Netherlands I either never visited, or just never paid much attention to when I did. Not Just Bikes turns my everyday experience into a 'tourist destination ' ;)

    • wezza
      wezza 2 місяці тому +10

      i'm always worried it might make people want to move here, and we really can't use even more people getting houses over here

    • LudwigVaanArthans
      LudwigVaanArthans 2 місяці тому +9

      ​@wezzait's what is going to happen, especially now that the US is tanking economically in regards for household savings. If people want to leave, it's now or never, and videos like these, although especially educational, are beacons of light for disenfranchised people (be they American or not)
      It's easier for people to move somewhere new than to try to change their own living places, or at least it's their mentality. The silver lining is maybe you can educate them not to being their own problems with them to slowly infest you back with car dependency

    • Spiritual Anarchist
      Spiritual Anarchist 2 місяці тому +9

      @wezza Yes I know what you mean, but I think that's minimal. Entering a E.U country isn't that easy And I doubt many people will go to a foreign country with a different language and a lot of E.U visa regulations based on videos about nice infrastructure. Most go the Britain for the language or Italy , France etc for the beauty.

    • Mage craft
      Mage craft 2 місяці тому +12

      ​@wezzayoung, working people immigrating is the best solution for dealing with an aging population. There is plenty of space in the Netherlands for a million more people, we just need more housing.

    • Hendman
      Hendman 2 місяці тому +11

      ​@Mage craftOnly 1 million? We only use 13% of the land area in the Netherlands for housing. Over 50% is used for cows, but we have all seen how these cows are able to hold the rest of the country hostage. 😊

  • spiritmuse90210
    spiritmuse90210 2 місяці тому +3

    Cross-platform transfers are fantastic! There are a few of them out there, for sure. Because the NS knows what routes people travel, they can adjust their schedules to match and make large scale transfers (where a lot of people transfer from the same train to the same train) as painless as possible. Often they will even wait if the arriving train is a few minutes delayed!

  • Miiort Biiort
    Miiort Biiort 2 місяці тому +4

    They have also recently rebuild the Ede-Wageningen train station, which is two stops from this one. There are lots of houses being build surrounding the station, which I think is due to it's location between Utrecht and Arnhem and the convenience of being able to hop on a train whenever you want.

  • JD
    JD 2 місяці тому +9

    "Eerst een knelpunt, nu een knooppunt." Pretty much sums it up really, they've done a fantastic job.

  • John E
    John E Місяць тому +3

    With every video you produce, my desire to emigrate from the USA to the Netherlands increases. You are a lucky guy!

  • Varun Gupta
    Varun Gupta 2 місяці тому +2

    I really like this video because it shows how the Netherlands takes a national approach to good public transit, not just Amsterdam. It shows that good infrastructure is possible on a national level, not just in a city or town.

  • Jan Siebring
    Jan Siebring 2 місяці тому +604

    It's nice to see how hospitable such a small train station is. There's so many places to sit down and relax.

    • Not Just Bikes
      Not Just Bikes  2 місяці тому +156

      It's really really comfortable. Honestly, I can't believe that a little two-platform small city train station could be this good.

    • DanAndHoe
      DanAndHoe 2 місяці тому +33

      I recently went to Italy by train and I was shocked by how few places there were to sit. I didn't see a single bench at Florence or Milan. If you have to wait an hour or two for a train that's terribly annoying, also considering I sadly can't stand too long anymore because of my health.

    • Fatherless_Rascal
      Fatherless_Rascal 2 місяці тому +24

      @Not Just Bikes i am lucky enough to live in Zeist and use this station daily. just the way how i can park my bike and go upstairs to my train is still amazing

    • Paola Grando
      Paola Grando 2 місяці тому +13

      @DanAndHoe Unfortunately, Italy isn't bench-friendly any more. But some of us are making an effort to get it better.

    • Henrieke te Brake
      Henrieke te Brake 2 місяці тому +26

      Fun fact: a lot of stations in the Netherlands have "living rooms". Warmed areas with lots of chairs and tables for you to hang out. They generally have a kiosk but you don't need to pay to just hang out there. There are lots of older people that go to the one near my house just to read the newspaper and chat with travelers. It's such a lovely place if you have missed your train and it's cold outside.

  • Niczego sobie Gość
    Niczego sobie Gość 2 місяці тому +3

    Hello Not Just Bikes. I've been into your videos for some time now. Because of this, I began to notice how much good planning is lacking in many cities. I live in Gdańsk - it's a Dutch city in Poland (really, the city was in the Hanseatic League and there are many souvenirs left from it). I have the impression that the city copes well with public transport, but there are still too few bicycle paths. I say this because I would really like to see your episode about Gdańsk.

  • Kyle Topfer
    Kyle Topfer 2 місяці тому +3

    Cross-platform transfers are often actually that difficult to implement but are extremely positive for users.
    Railways generally run using the designations UP (meaning towards the main central station in the region) and DOWN (away from the main central station in the region). If you have 4 tracks (known as Quad Track), generally they either run as different sectors which don't interract with one another (so that disruptions on one line don't affect another), or as Express (only stops at key stations) and Suburban/Local (stopping at all or most stations). In the second version you can arrange the tracks to run as three options:
    -run the express tracks on the outside of the stopping tracks UPx-UP-DOWN-DOWNx
    -in the centre between the stopping tracks UP-UPx-DOWNx-DOWN
    -as two separate pairs of tracks UP-DOWN-UPx-DOWNx
    In the case where two (or more) different train lines meet and run through a station, as in @NotJustBikes example in Utrecht, to achieve a cross-platform transfer for a passenger from Amsterdam Zuid to the other line all you had to do is build the UP line from Amsterdam Zuid to cross under/over the DOWN line of the Utrecht line at their junction (point where to lines join/split) and then it will have to cross under/over the DOWN line again after the station (or it's partner line will have to cross under/over the same line and head in another direction).

  • Nick Post
    Nick Post 2 місяці тому

    Amazing video. Yet again. Great job! I’ve been impressed by this station the moment it was completed. You always seem to make a video of a project I happen to also follow. Love love love. Thank you very much!

  • Angelo Filigenzi
    Angelo Filigenzi Місяць тому +2

    Several years ago my wife and I took the train from Tucson, AZ to Chicago. First it was 2 hours late which, we found out was normal. Seconed that train had to sideline to let a freight train through since it had the right of way. What should have taken about 3 days took over a week. Needless to say we flew back to Tucson. It's so nice to see how train transportation can work.

  • David van Iwaarden
    David van Iwaarden Місяць тому +2

    I live in Zeist and it is so interesting to watch you telling about a thing that is so embedded in my day to day life. When I was younger, I sometimes went on an early sunday morning cycling trip with my father and we always stopped at Driebergen-Zeist to watch the trains go by. I loved the part in the video where you showed the old station. Brought back such good memories :)
    It's interesting that you tell about the good connection between Utrecht Centraal and Driebergen-Zeist. There is only one problem for me at least. When I want to go to UC I take a bus, which is faster. It's around 8 mins to to the bus -> transfer/walking time (10 mins) -> train to UC (from DZ) 8-12 mins (depending on fast or slow train). When I take the bus it's the same walking time + 20 mins to UC directly.
    So even though the station is close to my home, the bus takes me to UC faster :(

  • Wim Koele
    Wim Koele 2 місяці тому +425

    I think the traffic light defaulting to green at 11:30 is actually to protect cyclists that have to much speed racing across the intersection without cars having time to react to the cyclists. I know how fun it is to race through with such speed. For everyone's safety it's the best the cyclists know by default, that they can't blindly race across the intersection expecting cars to stop. There is a car advantage sure, but as a Dutchman who works for ProRail and doesn't drive a car, I can say its the safest solution. At least one that wouldn't bloat an already expensvie but magnificent project.

    • whuzzzup
      whuzzzup 2 місяці тому +69

      It's also more environmentally friendly. Stopping a car and making it accelerate again, uses a lot of energy, thus burning more fuel and producing more emissions the people around it have to breathe in.

    • Random Elephant
      Random Elephant 2 місяці тому +15

      It's basically better in every aspect as it is. I don't understand this bit in the video.

    • Richard
      Richard 2 місяці тому +7

      That is actually quite a insightful well thought about solution.

    • Tim Schellekens
      Tim Schellekens 2 місяці тому +31

      @whuzzzup I do agree with the safety part but not with environmental part.
      Imagine the case where all trafic lights would favor cars, a lot more people would choose the car instead of the bike. Now the emissions would be higher.
      What I am trying to make clear is that you don't only need to look at the emissions by that intersection but also the change of behaviour (and thus modal chose), small changes like these can actually have significant impact on behaviour

    • Jonas Drøjdahl
      Jonas Drøjdahl 2 місяці тому +20

      Defaulting to green for cars is much much much better than the alternative (defaulting to red). Other people have mentioned the direct safety, the environmental aspect. But I grew up near a 'default red' pedestrian crossing of a local through-town road. It was scary. I don't know of any accidents, but the road in question was in my youth a popular acceleration road due to so few cuts in an otherwise relatively long and safe road. Except for the 'default red' light. People quickly learned that 95% of the time the light would change to green when they got close, and would get complacent. The number of times cars would blast through, or last second brake, when pedestrians and cyclists were about to cross is horrible.
      The most important thing for traffic safety is being able to trust that the other road users will follow the rules (hence why crossing a red light when there is no traffic is a bad idea as you begin to erode your own trust in the red light). Thus, don't give them reason to expect one thing, but once in a while change it up with soft users.

  • Bezulba
    Bezulba 2 місяці тому +4

    I think the low development of the area is by design. You said it yourself; there's a huge forested area around the station, it's very possible that the city doesn't want to spoil that natural beauty. I imagine the vacant lots will be filled up, but not much real development will happen outside of that.
    But as always, a great episode and very topical since we cycled through it yesterday as a starting/finishing point for a cycling route through the woods. It's a great little station and should be a benchmark for any future projects.

  • Damouze
    Damouze 2 місяці тому +3

    Even before the renovation, Driebergen-Zeist was a joy to visit. I had a friend who used to live in Zeist, and I always preferred to walk from the train station to his house, because of the beautiful surroundings.

  • cecasander
    cecasander 2 місяці тому

    I live only about a kilometer from this station and use it fairly regularly. It has been a really big improvement from the previous station. The underground bycicle parking is especially great seeing how it is located directly underneath the little station square and it takes you like a minute to get from your bike to the platform. It is very popular as well as it is often almost full during the weekdays. And as someone who also occasionally drives by it by car, the removal of the level crossing has also been a godsent!

  • Floris de Graaf
    Floris de Graaf 2 місяці тому +1

    Completely agree on the cross platform transfer. It's very common here in Japan even in rural areas where the slower local trains are waiting for the faster express trains to pass. So you get on the quicker express train first to your nearest express stop before your own smaller station. The local train is usually there and you just have to walk to the other side of the platform to get in. Train starts moving a minute after. So convenient!

  • Andrew Wainwright
    Andrew Wainwright 2 місяці тому +2

    Jason, this was a masterpiece. You're so good at this! Loved the writing, the jokes, the beautiful camerawork, the research, the balance, the enthusiasm and of course the subject matter. This should win awards. 💚💚💚

    • Turd Boi
      Turd Boi 2 місяці тому +1

      Is this a bot?

    • Andrew Wainwright
      Andrew Wainwright 2 місяці тому

      @Turd Boi no. I see why you asked! A bit gushing wasnt it! I meant it all though! We need more communicators of this quality.

  • Hellmuth Schreefel
    Hellmuth Schreefel 2 місяці тому +386

    I live in Detroit Michigan and I have to say that this video makes me want to go visit a small train station in a forest in the Netherlands! Full disclosure, when my family landed in the Netherlands in 1958 after traveling from Indonesia (the former Dutch East Indies) our first stop was a tiny vacation rental house in Driebergen that was appropriated for us by the Dutch Government. I was only 2 and don't recall any of that but I do have some lovely old pictures of that time. The Driebergen-Zeist train station gives me another reason to visit the area if I ever have the opportunity to go back to the Netherlands. Thanks for another great video!

    • World affairs connoisseur
      World affairs connoisseur 2 місяці тому +4

      Detroit L☠️

    • Rob Spiess
      Rob Spiess 2 місяці тому +5

      Whatcha talkin' about?? We got the Q Line, baby! That's just as good! freakin lol

    • Danny D
      Danny D 2 місяці тому +11

      Also from the Detroit area, and love these videos. I try to envision something like this in Detroit. It will never materialize with our leadership, but it's nice to think about.

    • dandarr
      dandarr 2 місяці тому +5

      @Danny D if there is any place in the US that needs this sort of approach to urban planning, it's Detroit. It could potentially give the city a new renaissance....

    • Cynbel Terreus
      Cynbel Terreus 2 місяці тому

      Finished watching the video after already having commented... of course there are more people from the Detroit area in the comments.

  • Yoshi92
    Yoshi92 2 місяці тому

    Wow they dug out the whole place, what a vision they had, and perfectly done! Love NL

  • wolph
    wolph Місяць тому +1

    This style of train station has become quite common the last couple of years and it's certainly nice, but I still miss the old types of staions a bit. They were not as convenient and efficient perhaps, but I loved them. Luckily we still have some of those old/pretty stations such as Haarlem and Den Haag Holland Spoor

  • M B
    M B Місяць тому

    That level crossing issue reminds me of many an intersection in Victoria before the level crossing removal project kicked in. Hopefully they can keep up the infrastructure work on the public transport and maybe we can have nice stations like these throughout the train lines too :):)
    Love this video, just like all the others. Keep them coming :):)

  • Thomas Grasveld
    Thomas Grasveld Місяць тому +2

    Mind blowing that one of my favourite new channels does a video on my hometown train station. As a local I can tell you that the redesign is loved by everyone that I know that lives in Zeist. FYI I believe that the princenhof building was there before the redesign and therefore the entrance was already there. There was a bike lane there before though to the old bicycle parking area on the Zeist side if I remember correctly.

  • Gerry
    Gerry 2 місяці тому +64

    Travelling in The Netherlands some years ago, I was talking with a local inhabitant. She was surprised when I said how 'civilised' we found the country. Certainly the Dutch urban environment is a very humane place to be.

    • Jan Pavel
      Jan Pavel 2 місяці тому +5

      And it didn't dawn on you at all how condescending you sounded?

    • Gerry
      Gerry 2 місяці тому +7

      @Jan PavelThe lady understood exactly what i meant and was not at all offended.

    • JJimsky
      JJimsky 2 місяці тому

      @Gerry It's alright! We understand being 'direct' .

  • Not Just Bikes
    Not Just Bikes  2 місяці тому +209

    Bicycle Dutch has a great article and video about Driebergen-Zeist, if you'd like to learn more:
    Video: uaclips.com/video/sXSIFSg6l_I/відео.html
    There are also lots of links in the description, as usual.

    • Ivy K
      Ivy K 2 місяці тому

      I live along the same line and they want to close the level crossing here too. Imo its bad it will thrash the local town vibe and make it a better route for sluipverkeer between the a12 and the a50 which probably makes the town less safe.

    • LeafHuntress
      LeafHuntress 2 місяці тому

      THANK YOU, i heard you say that it flew under the radar & i was like, but Mark has made a blogpost about it.

    • Dykam
      Dykam 2 місяці тому +1

      I appreciate you kept the joke about the letter of bus platforms

    • Sledge
      Sledge 2 місяці тому

      He's had a bunch of riding videos near that station. I thought it looked familiar.

    • Paola Grando
      Paola Grando 2 місяці тому +1

      I loOove Bicycle Dutch. Nearly all his videos have a link with blogs that explain things with more details.

  • JarNO WAY
    JarNO WAY Місяць тому +2

    Have you ever been to Houten? It's a town southeast of Utrecht, and it has one ring-road for cars and the rest of the town has cycling paths as "arterial roads." Cars are allowed in, but they're stowed away and practically can only be used to park by your own house, or leave the town. I feel like it would make a fantastic video; even I was blown away by it, and I've lived in the country for 21 years since my birth :)

  • NeoDerGrosse
    NeoDerGrosse 2 місяці тому

    We visited the construction site of this station back when I took an excursion to the Netherlands with my university. Thanks for showing the finished station.
    It has been very impressive even during the reconstruction. They even build a temporary covered footbridge with covered staircases and elevators (if I remember correctly). If I compare that to construction sites here in Austria it's just sad.

  • Zatoxz
    Zatoxz 2 місяці тому +1

    stations are being rebuild like this quite a lot in the netherlands. I am from a town called Nijverdal myself. We once had an open railroad crossing like most towns but we now have a tunnel with a railroad and roadway underneath the town. This significantly reduced heavy traffic inside of the town and you cannot really hear the trains either because of the tracks being underneath the city. If you have the chance to ever visit the east then try the zwolle/enschede railroad line:)

  • Nynke K
    Nynke K 2 місяці тому +1

    I live nearby and love this station so much! I'd forgotten just how bad it was before (so thanks for including the old footage) but remember being completely blown away when I cycled there to take my first train post-lockdown in 2020

  • N L
    N L Місяць тому +1

    Great vid. A friend who works for ProRail explained to me why at DZ you don’t have more development. Apparently it has been a discussion for nearly a decade. The problem is that the area falls under both Zeist and Utrechtse Heuvelrug, so they have to come to an agreement on whatever gets put in. The next problem is that it is currently zoned industrial, so that would have to be changed. Third of all, this area has restrictions on how much can be developed in order to maintain a certain amount of nature, so this would also have to be approved. Similarly, height restrictions mean that you’d be unlikely to get approval to build above three stories. Add on to that the high costs of construction in the Netherlands at the moment and you end up with it being a very unattractive project for a developer. The municipality would basically have to give them the land for free to even spark their interest.

  • pruwyben
    pruwyben 2 місяці тому +247

    8:14 this really struck home with me. I live near the Interurban Trail in Seattle, and while it's excellent bike infrastructure by NA standards, a lot of it is just going past the backs of businesses and often without a paved connection to them - you have to cut through dirt paths next to dumpsters to get to the parking lot and the main entrance.

    • Not Just Bikes
      Not Just Bikes  2 місяці тому +56

      Yes, absolutely. This really amazed me, because I have been to so many US and Canadian business parks where I was left having to cross through parking lots, or even ditches, just to get from transit to the building.
      I talked about this in my video about business parks: uaclips.com/video/SDXB0CY2tSQ/відео.html
      Also the garbage land use around the new (and insanely expensive) Mississauga BRT: uaclips.com/video/MnyeRlMsTgI/відео.html

  • Julius E
    Julius E 2 місяці тому +1

    I’ve lived in Zeist my whole life, I remember the old station. I liked the new design, but I took it for granted too much. Cool to hear you talk about it!!

  • SMorcrux
    SMorcrux 2 місяці тому +3

    Today in Israel is Yom Kippur, where cars aren't allowed on the roads and everyone goes out in bikes and drives on the highways, and while I think tel aviv is very well designed for pedestrians and bikes, I went today randomly to this one area near the central bus station, with this giant ramp above the street which makes the area feel very claustrophobic and dark, and also turned this area into a hotbed of lots of crime. Seeing social safety be so prioritized in the Netherlands seems so amazing, I really hope that these Dutch designs would be applied everywhere else in the world.

  • Joshua Fletcher
    Joshua Fletcher 2 місяці тому

    You should do an in-depth review of how Tokyo Metro made the final switch to the new Ginza Line platform in Shibuya over just THREE DAYS! I've seen some video footage of literally thousands of workers making the final track change. Wild stuff.

  • DicoTheRedstoner
    DicoTheRedstoner 2 місяці тому

    I've been following you for a while and I learned so much about my own country while doing so. My closest station is also Amsterdam Zuid. It would be cool if you had some kind of in person meet up planned at some point!

  • DeathInTheSnow
    DeathInTheSnow 2 місяці тому +261

    I love that old footage of the station! In the UK, train fans used to have the derogatory name of "anoraks" due to them often standing out in all weather wearing raincoats to record trains as they went by. But without them, and their diligent work, we wouldn't have the archive footage we have now! I have to say thank you to all of you, and I hope more people become train fans and record more of this sort of thing in the future!

    • ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
      ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 2 місяці тому +18

      Why does the British public hate train and bike fans?

    • Shailendra Nath
      Shailendra Nath 2 місяці тому +23

      @( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) All Anglo Countries seem to hate public transit, walking and biking, relative to people in continental Europe and East Asia. The US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand all have worse Bike, ped and transit relative to their enormous GDP per capita. I think culturally, Anglos have a greater emphasis on the aesthetic of Independence and self sufficiency. the preference for Single Family homes over apartments and group housing arrangements is in the same vein I think. The US is the most extreme version of this, but all the other Anglophone countries have elements of this.

    • Mike Wade
      Mike Wade 2 місяці тому +5

      Some part of the UK do trains better than other parts. SW England, SE Devon, getting a train to work was never a problem with the station being a very short walk from the town centre.
      Wales though!... Old mining town, rail runs right through the centre and is no longer used, as it would disrupt the car traffic. So the station is two miles from the centre on the outskirts and not even a regular service.
      On the numerous times i,ve cycled for miles near rail, i've seen three moving trains in four years...
      Wales is much more car centric than England. Wales also has the UKs fattest town.

    • Jaimie Potts
      Jaimie Potts 2 місяці тому +11

      ​@( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)British people don't hate trains, they actually like them and want them to be better

  • Oskar Kentie
    Oskar Kentie 2 місяці тому +2

    You should do a video about Breda Central station. It is not by any means a perfect station but its really interresting. You can park your car on the roof of the station by driving up trough the trains and busses and the busplatforms go all the way up to W. You’ve also got 4 bikeparkings, two outside, one in the station and one underground. And the architecture will amaze you for sure!

  • Erik Leppen
    Erik Leppen 2 місяці тому +1

    THANK YOU for making a video about this station! I sometimes transfer here from train to bus to visit a friend, and next time I'll be looking around even more closely!
    When waiting for the bus, the stone border with the flat concrete top (visible at 8:58) offers a place to sit with the feet hanging freely. Don't know if this is an intended use, but I wanted to mention it.
    It's surprising how quick you forget that a place like this is constructed and what the old situation was like, and I wasn't aware the makeover was so recent, even though I know I have visited the same station before 2020.

  • Gerard de Koe
    Gerard de Koe 2 місяці тому +2

    There are a lot of conference centers in the forrests around Driebergen-Zeist. Thats why it is an important mobilityhub. You take one of the many small buses for the last mile. I used to go there regularly years ago when there was the old treinstation. Next week I’ll go there by train for another conference and I’m looking forward to see the new trainstation.