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Nick Bostrom: Simulation and Superintelligence | Lex Fridman Podcast #83

  • Опубліковано 31 тра 2023
  • Nick Bostrom is a philosopher at University of Oxford and the director of the Future of Humanity Institute. He has worked on fascinating and important ideas in existential risks, simulation hypothesis, human enhancement ethics, and the risks of superintelligent AI systems, including in his book Superintelligence. I can see talking to Nick multiple times on this podcast, many hours each time, but we have to start somewhere.
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    0:00 - Introduction
    2:48 - Simulation hypothesis and simulation argument
    12:17 - Technologically mature civilizations
    15:30 - Case 1: if something kills all possible civilizations
    19:08 - Case 2: if we lose interest in creating simulations
    22:03 - Consciousness
    26:27 - Immersive worlds
    28:50 - Experience machine
    41:10 - Intelligence and consciousness
    48:58 - Weighing probabilities of the simulation argument
    1:01:43 - Elaborating on Joe Rogan conversation
    1:05:53 - Doomsday argument and anthropic reasoning
    1:23:02 - Elon Musk
    1:25:26 - What's outside the simulation?
    1:29:52 - Superintelligence
    1:47:27 - AGI utopia
    1:52:41 - Meaning of life
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  • Lex Fridman
    Lex Fridman  3 роки тому +410

    I really enjoyed this conversation with Nick. Here's the outline:
    0:00 - Introduction
    2:48 - Simulation hypothesis and simulation argument
    12:17 - Technologically mature civilizations
    15:30 - Case 1: if something kills all possible civilizations
    19:08 - Case 2: if we lose interest in creating simulations
    22:03 - Consciousness
    26:27 - Immersive worlds
    28:50 - Experience machine
    41:10 - Intelligence and consciousness
    48:58 - Weighing probabilities of the simulation argument
    1:01:43 - Elaborating on Joe Rogan conversation
    1:05:53 - Doomsday argument and anthropic reasoning
    1:23:02 - Elon Musk
    1:25:26 - What's outside the simulation?
    1:29:52 - Superintelligence
    1:47:27 - AGI utopia
    1:52:41 - Meaning of life

    • Anthony Fabrizi
      Anthony Fabrizi 3 роки тому +5

      Really enjoyed this episode and came to the conclusion that an AGI utopia would consist of a perfect balance of all outcomes reguardless of the metric.What good are the highs without the lows?

    • Christopher Michael
      Christopher Michael 3 роки тому +4

      I like how Nick will answer a simple question with an answer that's 10x deeper than anything. Not poking fun, enjoyed his insight.

    • Ivan Nogolica
      Ivan Nogolica 3 роки тому +3

      Please do the talk with the David Deutsch :)

    • M0ebius
      M0ebius 3 роки тому +5

      Alessandro Filippi Yes but the question is what happens when masturbation is indistinguishable or even preferrable to real sex? And not even just in the sense that it is more enjoyable, but possibly even in being more meaningful and fulfilling. Or what if the use of simulated experience in and of itself create a better model of reality in any number of ways?

    • David G. Horsman
      David G. Horsman 3 роки тому

      They skipped one very convincing illustration of the simulation argument.
      In the event there is one single simulation running anywhere in the universe at any point in time what do we conclude?
      Given there exists two realities in this scenario there is a 50% chance we are the simulation. The probability rises from there.
      Another notable point seldom discussed it number of simulations is the stronger argument relative to number of humans.
      As a near cost abstraction total population can be infinite where population that has experiences and memories ranges from one to N plus the low resolution model of the universe.
      There is more.

  • McLaren P1
    McLaren P1 2 місяці тому +91

    There's too much going on in AI right now, bring this man back on the podcast!

  • Valfredo De Matteis
    Valfredo De Matteis 3 роки тому +59

    Lex your channel is truly amazing, thank you so much for your work man! In 4 days I'm going to graduate with a thesis about AI and I'm learning so so much thanks to your work, every video you post is a masterpiece, beautiful and easy to follow. In time, I hope to become a professor myself and teach philosophy of technology at University. Thank you again, you are an exemple and people like you make UAclips the wonderful thing it is

    • Sarah D
      Sarah D Рік тому +4

      How's it going 2 years later?

    • SkullMan
      SkullMan 5 місяців тому

      Philosophy of technology sounds like a very interesting field.

  • Ofame Coasta
    Ofame Coasta 3 роки тому +7

    Honestly, your podcast line up is essentially my ideal dinner party. So many among guests

  • Dazzer1234567
    Dazzer1234567 3 роки тому +104

    I've heard all these arguments many times before, but Nick is still one of my favorite people to listen to .............

  • Scarlett Fever
    Scarlett Fever 2 роки тому +2

    What a beautiful opening ... Thank you for continuing to inspire this JR High Drop out to learn about quantum mechanics.

  • Khhanthology
    Khhanthology 3 роки тому +5

    So fun. Love listening to these! Keep up the great work Lex!

  • Roberto Toscano
    Roberto Toscano 3 роки тому +2

    You have the nicest and most honest introduction you always use - I never skip around in your talks bc you never randomly break the flow to plug something. You're appreciated! Thanks for that and the content. Be it Chomsky, Vitalik, Tegmark... so on and so forth.

  • Margie
    Margie Рік тому +8

    Lex is one of my biggest inspirations for making my brain get off its ass when I feel like I'm being mentally lazy and when I'm depressed his podcast always helps me some way or another but I gotta be honest. He seemed like he wasn't feeling this one and in my opinion he doesn't need to do the show when he is in one of these moods. He was a bit of a smartass from the very beginning if you pay attention and it kind of killed the whole thing for me. I somehow missed this one so I know this comment is late and pretty much irrelevant but just damn he wasn't feeling this one and it shows in a huge way. Lex if you read this I love you man but please don't do this in the future. I know this is old but I feel like this could have been my favorite episode if not for the bad energy and I really hope you don't ever waste another great guest again. This one is barley watchable lol but oh well love ya buddy!

  • Kayla Read
    Kayla Read 2 роки тому +1

    A podcast with David Deutsch would be great and a second with Joscha Bach would be wonderful. I've been looking so long for a channel like this. And now i already found it. Also loved Nick Bostroms and Max Tegmarks work. I‘m thrilled. Thank you Lex for this!

  • The Logos
    The Logos 3 роки тому +1

    Fantastic. Well done Lex. There are many more that are seeing the light. Let's keep bringing these humans together to make this a better place.

  • Nick Frederiksen
    Nick Frederiksen 3 роки тому +5

    Love this, such a crazy/cool conversation. Thanks Lex!

  • Tyler Barnwell
    Tyler Barnwell 3 роки тому +752

    This is the conversation we're all subbed for.

    • Alpha Delta
      Alpha Delta 3 роки тому +6

      You said it.

    • Samuel Hauptmann van Dam
      Samuel Hauptmann van Dam 3 роки тому +20

      Exactly. I get Lex want to talk with a lot of people in different areas, but what he can do better than most, is having hopefully high and even higher level conversations about computational topics.

    • Honey Badger Offroad
      Honey Badger Offroad 3 роки тому +12

      This and Jim Keller. I loved the dynamic of a brilliant engineer and a brilliant research scientist with overlapping fields of focus riffing witty banter off each other. I had a raging brainer watching that one.

    • Akarsh Rastogi
      Akarsh Rastogi 3 роки тому +11

      No, this is the guest we subbed for, since he's the one with the Sim hypothesis Lex questions a lot of his guests around. But to him, Lex was just setting firm ground and enumerating definitions, the conversation didn't really take off far from there at all. I was really disappointed with the shallowness to which this podcast persisted. Lex could've also discussed a lot of his thoughts to him for an interdisciplinary discourse.
      I am just hoping for a follow up with Bostrom , which delves much deeper than his books and papers most of which I've already read and opens up avenues for new grand questions and perspectives

    • Samuel Hauptmann van Dam
      Samuel Hauptmann van Dam 3 роки тому +3

      @Honey Badger Offroad Jim Keller is probably my favorite interview.

  • Roxxco Roxx
    Roxxco Roxx 2 роки тому +2

    In several podcasts with Nick Bostrom he has touched on the possibility of us learning a new and major idea that changes our entire outlook or way we choose to live...changes what we view as most important. I would love to hear his thoughts on what might happen, how it might change us, if we could prove reincarnation. How would this change the way we live and the choices we make as well as the possible implications on a larger, cosmic scale. Have him back and ask him Lex!

  • Michael
    Michael 2 роки тому

    Seriously amazing work . I love everything about this channel . So much information ❤️

  • John Funk
    John Funk Рік тому

    Thanks Lex! Yet another great knowledge on ramp. Just bought Superintlligence and I am enjoying my fourth week of Andrew Ng's ML course on coursera. More love to you brother. Thanks for all you do! John

  • Steveo Davis
    Steveo Davis 10 місяців тому

    I love your podcasts and guests. Always something to think about even if I don't understand or remember it well.

  • Autodidact228
    Autodidact228 3 роки тому +7

    Lex, I wanted to take a moment to thank you for posting your interview with Bostrom. I would have never had access to that information or dialogue on my own, so I wanted very much to complement the work your are doing and the effort you put forth.

  • Jim Carter
    Jim Carter 2 роки тому +42

    This guy is my new favorite interviewer. He is great to listen to if you want to really follow every word or just some bits and pieces while you fall asleep. His pace and tone are absolutely wonderful to hear. He allows the guest talk and then asks pertinent questions. Most excellent job. Thank you!

      TESS TIGGLE 2 роки тому +2

      totally agree 🖖

    • Cary Stallings
      Cary Stallings Рік тому +1

      I take a nap to Lex everyday. The interviews are very interesting, but somehow also very easy to nap to.

  • Tom Mole
    Tom Mole 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks Nick - sharing your insights is much needed for the world

  • Timur Golovinov
    Timur Golovinov 3 роки тому +5

    Brilliant people, thanks Lex for your great work! Much respect!!!

  • Hunter Seraph
    Hunter Seraph 3 роки тому +3

    Two great minds! Thank you both!

  • FormerLurker
    FormerLurker 3 роки тому +3

    Lex, you are an inspiration. Thank you for your contributions to a field that is very near to my heart.

  • TOMinPDX
    TOMinPDX 3 роки тому +83

    Love right back at you Lex. You are a wonderful young man. Thank you for your podcasts.

  • Marianne Stebbins
    Marianne Stebbins 7 місяців тому

    Discovered your podcast a couple weeks ago. All my favorite topics! 🖤💛

  • Brian Benedict
    Brian Benedict 2 роки тому +1

    Just getting into your podcasts. The thing that strikes me is the pacing of your interviews. It's really very pleasant.

  • blind_ neighbourhoodNerd
    blind_ neighbourhoodNerd 3 роки тому +2

    Hi Lex, awesome chat as always. Thankyou for continuing to post content. These discussions are not only fascinating and fun to think about, they serve as a much needed break from everything that's happening in the world right now.

  • JESSEverything
    JESSEverything 2 роки тому

    You are the man Lex. Congrats on the million subscribers, you are so close!

  • Michael Gironda
    Michael Gironda 3 роки тому +1

    Another great conversation with one of my favorite guests. Thanks for all the great work, Lex!

  • John Lipscomb
    John Lipscomb 2 роки тому +4

    LEX thanks for these most amazing interviews. every darn one of them.

  • Jimmy Bolton
    Jimmy Bolton Рік тому

    Nick what you said at 59 minutes onward to the point where you said auto potent completely stated my current dilemma progress and feelings thank you Nick thank you so much for getting that out there❤️

  • Randy Tighe
    Randy Tighe Рік тому

    This is a fascinating conversation; Nick and Lex are both super knowledgeable about AI (Lex is an expert in developing AI and Nick in the philosophical study about the ramifications of AI - I'm glued to this one more than most!!! Thanks for creating this content!!

  • Edward Duclos
    Edward Duclos 2 роки тому

    How does one dislike this video. Very good!! Loved listening to these two discuss!!

  • Chungwei Wang
    Chungwei Wang 2 роки тому

    Making content for you guys is a blessing, and we can't describe how much that means to us ❤️💖💜. We are forever grateful for you guys making it possible for us to do what we love 🙏❤️. Chasing passions is something we prioritize and hope to inspire you to do the same 🙏
    For us, this is a channel and a platform we want to use to help you guys. We hope that we can help you escape from some of the daily pressures and issues we deal with daily. You can always come here on this channel and let go or tell us about how your day has been. We hope that we, as a community of almost 100k people, can help each other raise more positive energy on this planet 💜🙏❤️. There is so much pain and suffering on this planet. So hopefully, this community and channel can be a beacon of light for hope, love, and positivity. If we realize how powerful our thoughts and action are, then it definitely reduces suffering, and that is our goal with our content 🙏
    Thank you for being here with us and, we know that as a community we will raise against all the negativity and come out with love, positivity, and joy 🙌💜 Mental health and well-being are super important to us. And hopefully, we can have a long-lasting community where we support each other. 🙏💖
    Loving regards,
    All the members of the Woke Nation Team ❤️🙏💜🙏

  • dbeatwillie88
    dbeatwillie88 2 роки тому

    Came to listen to this after trying to listen to the whole JRE with Nick. I figured that the conversation with someone like Lex would develop way further with someone who has deep understanding of CS. I am in no sense well versed in CS besides undergrad classes, but for those who have given deep thought to this subject, can a simulation happen outside of a medium such as computer, or is this inherently a feature of computational systems?

  • raybo780
    raybo780 Місяць тому +3

    I like Nick bostrom, he’s such a clear thinker

  • Commissar of GamerGate
    Commissar of GamerGate 3 роки тому

    Lex is so well mannered, you can't help but like him.

  • Kevin Brown
    Kevin Brown 10 місяців тому

    love the podcast you get some of the most interesting people and intersting conversations, i always enjoy them.

  • Rebel Justice
    Rebel Justice 3 роки тому

    Keep up the interviews. Knowledge is good to share.

  • EconMcCausland
    EconMcCausland Рік тому

    Love your opening monologues, Lex.

  • Excubical
    Excubical Рік тому

    Nick you're brilliant, we've got you protected given the impacts of your work to humanity and relationships. I am certainly an admirer of yours.

  • Caleb Westfall
    Caleb Westfall 3 роки тому +24

    5 am, birds chirping, racing mind, and the inability to sleep. Ahh, what a perfectly timed video to stumble upon.

    • Simon Curtis
      Simon Curtis 2 роки тому +1

      Hope you feel better today.racing mind is very troubling.i get that alot

    • Challe Lalle
      Challe Lalle 2 роки тому +1

      My exact situation

  • Jesse
    Jesse 3 роки тому +11

    I found out about this man through Assassin's Creed: Origins! On the message board about Simulation theory on a computer that my character was going through! It's kind of neat!

  • Victor
    Victor 2 роки тому

    I must say I really appreciate you & this Podcast mr. Fridman!

  • jonesie
    jonesie 9 місяців тому

    Whenever I can't sleep this is my go-to. Thank you lex

  • Cosmic Trippers
    Cosmic Trippers  3 роки тому +1

    Thanks Lex and Nick for such a fascinating discussion. Its so refreshing to have real scientists opening up without the tinfoil hats or religions but jobs having a go or interrupting when discussing this topic. Looking forward to hearing more.
    Everything I have studied, investigated and applied all points in this direction.

  • Miguel Suarez-Solis
    Miguel Suarez-Solis Рік тому +4

    I think there is a usefulness to knowing we're in a simulation. If we can learn to control it or learn to communicate with the creators, the implications would be pretty crazy.

    • Garry Jones
      Garry Jones 8 місяців тому +1

      The Creator response: screw you!! It is time to reboot this computer and start this game all over again! ;-)

  • Jason Pelish
    Jason Pelish 2 роки тому +14

    I had a dream I was within the facility where this simulation is being run. Everyone had a very nice, rather opulent cubicle. I got in trouble for not staying in my cubicle and going into other rooms I wasn't assigned to. So they kicked me out of the facility and asked me not to return. As a parting gift they gave me a software box, and it had the source code for the simulation in it. I was disappointed that it was so minimal, so simple, so I threw the box out instead of keeping it. Then I went outside and enjoyed reality.
    If you've experienced and understand the concept of "Procedural Universe" as represented in the game "No Man's Sky" you can understand how simple the coding, how little processing power and storage would be required to generate a convincing simulation of a complex seeming reality.
    So the question then is "why make a simulation of this nature?"
    The answer becomes evident when you consider how artificial intelligence is nurtured. Neural nets become more connected, more "able" as they're exposed to phenomenon. Perhaps our true nature is something separate from this reality, yet requiring exposure to this kind of phenomenon to "grow" and become more able, more powerful, more able to do "work"?

    • Alex Bento
      Alex Bento Рік тому +1

      very interesting

    • Gideon Davidson
      Gideon Davidson 8 місяців тому +1

      An under-appreciated comment! By the sounds of things, just as with New Age ideas that we are here to learn in a cosmic school, so could the beings we actually are be experiencing this simulation, to achieve understandings they couldn’t get from merely studying or theorising about embodied ‘life’.

  • Andronikos Kapsalis
    Andronikos Kapsalis 3 роки тому +2

    Great podcast! Brilliant minds! Love! Thank you SIMULATION GOD(S)!

  • Joe Licata
    Joe Licata 3 роки тому

    Thoroughly thought challenging and informative. Sir Rodger Penrose has a humility and joy of his craft that inspires the curiosity that’s necessary for learning. Years from now good chance the term “classic” will describe this video.

  • Curios Guy
    Curios Guy 3 роки тому +23

    This is amazing! Please get Terence Tao, Ray Kurzweil and Ed Witten as well!

  • Ian Chambers
    Ian Chambers 2 роки тому +2

    Amazing Lex - doing an amazing job, such a great guy in search for what there can be rather then BS , loving it

  • Wyatt
    Wyatt Рік тому

    Never heard from Nick before… but wow. What a high level conversation. Guy seems to be putting so many variables about each topic into consideration.

  • SAGGI Online
    SAGGI Online 3 роки тому +4

    I love the final question; the meaning of life. This got me thinking that perhaps “life” is the game or space we find ourselves in and hence the best answer I can come up with would be, and not glibly, “to get through it as best we can”, with ‘best’ being a more universal connotation. We find ourselves here, there is no choice... so “keep walking” and make it meaningful...

  • Brent
    Brent 3 роки тому +2

    Really enjoying your interview style. Letting the subject speak, novel idea these days. Lol. Lex should definitely be welcomed into the Intellectual Dark Web tribe

    • Artifice Finch
      Artifice Finch 2 роки тому +1

      He’s far too good for that troupe of maladroit narcissists.

  • Calvin Grondahl
    Calvin Grondahl Рік тому +2

    Being a simulation works for me, being real is too stressful.

  • Stefan Onderdelinden
    Stefan Onderdelinden Рік тому

    Some pieces I had to listen 5 times to understand but great perspective as a reward. Great talk, thank you.

  • Dave Kesler- The Architect's Guide
    Dave Kesler- The Architect's Guide Місяць тому

    Loved this interview. Great job Lex. I’m trying to get Nick on my Architects Guide podcast - no luck as yet. Dystopia and Utopia are interwoven permanently. Architects know this. So by extension the two binaries interweave in the simulation.
    In addition Kastrup’s hypothesis of irreducible consciousness usurps simulation theory beautifully but doesn’t negate it….

  • pgwargamer
    pgwargamer 2 роки тому +1

    I can honestly say this was one of the most awesome discussions i have ever listened to in my life. Lex has this incredible ability to ask the perfect questions to allow us to get a glimpse into the minds of these geniuses.

  • Konstantinos Theodorakos
    Konstantinos Theodorakos 3 роки тому +3

    I have been waiting for Nick Bostrom to appear for months. Thank you again Lex! :D

  • iPhone Suzy
    iPhone Suzy 2 роки тому +1

    These are such wonderful people who come on this show - this channel needs to STAY - or at the very least be replicated.
    This UAclips channel is a service to humanity - a work of art - and a beautiful thing.
    I hope that anyone who has any care at all for the future of humanity - and all life - will support Lex in any way that they can. 🙂

  • Annika Nilsson
    Annika Nilsson Рік тому +1

    Lex, the interviews you do are the best I found so far. Greetings from a middle aged woman in Sweden.

  • JMB Aug 12
    JMB Aug 12 Рік тому +1

    Your podcast is incredible ✨🤍🔥💫

  • spoonfuloffructose
    spoonfuloffructose 2 роки тому +3

    I love the precise and logical way Nick Bostrom answers questions. Philosophers are the computer scientists of the humanities.

  • Perceptive
    Perceptive 6 місяців тому +1

    Nick bostrom is maybe the most important person for how humans have to think the nearest time

  • Tyfoods For Thought
    Tyfoods For Thought 3 роки тому +5

    Awwwwwwee yahhh! This will be great excited as usual and watching straight away! Thank you for all you do, Lex!😁

  • Preston Bane
    Preston Bane 3 роки тому +65

    Both these SOB's having this conversation in their second language 🙌💪

    • digitalgravity
      digitalgravity 2 роки тому +28

      What's their first language, binary?

    • ernestmac13
      ernestmac13 2 роки тому

      The host is doing a decent job of trying to keep the discussion grownded in reality, without being condacending. The guest undermined in argument by saying one has to make the large assumption that thus is a simulation, that's an appeal to ignorance.
      The thing is, wither or not our reality is a simulation, that is a different topic from the developing if super intellegence. So, the guest has tossed in a red harring or straw man, as he switches from discussing things being a simulation to talking about A.I. and artificial super intellegence. Two different topics.

    • SavnetSinn
      SavnetSinn Рік тому +4

      @ernestmac13 Did you watch a different video?

  • Andre Wildberg
    Andre Wildberg 2 роки тому +8

    Thank you for this exciting conversation! Especially the quote at the very end 1:55:50 :
    "Our approach to existential risks can not be one of trail and error.
    There's no opportunity to learn from errors.
    The reactive approach […] is unworkable.
    Rather, we must take a proactive approach.
    This requires foresight to anticipate new types of threats
    and a willingness to take decisive preventative action
    and to bear the costs, moral and economic, of such actions."
    Nick Bostrom
    Being able to adapt into a society of that sort may very well be the decider whether we hit an early filter or not.

    • Agent X
      Agent X 2 роки тому

      Get your ass to Mars!

  • jonesie joneserton
    jonesie joneserton 2 роки тому

    Just drove 600 miles listening to you lex. I couldn't help but wonder how many people on 95 south were listening too. Thanks for the entertainment

  • Liz Gichora
    Liz Gichora Рік тому +1

    Excellent interview! Very objective and thoroughly explorative. Intelligence, the ability to solve complex problems, the use of interconnections and dynamism of Systems A and Blue.

  • A. D.
    A. D. 3 роки тому +3

    Oh, I love the epilogue 1:55:50 you’ve added at the end. Quite fitting for the times 😊

  • Loren H
    Loren H Рік тому +16

    I exist in base reality, and I just want to say you are all doing a really great job. Keep going! This is why your simulation was built so please enjoy the experience! :)

    • Tiffany Kinney
      Tiffany Kinney 6 місяців тому +1

      Yes, yes, but could I make some requests for one or two tweaks?

  • joingain joingain
    joingain joingain 2 роки тому

    You could measure the speed of light from how fast I clicked on this. Lex you are the premier intellectual interviewer of this generation. Phenomenal individual & good hearted human

  • Giga Gerard
    Giga Gerard 2 роки тому +3

    Thank you both, great interview! I read Superintelligence, and it would comfort Nick: from cover to cover. I like that he comes to a pretty simple conclusion here on the human values (he mentions for example generosity) that we should give to general AI: at first this should be a broad set of values (or essential goals?) to achieve. Then later its evaluation can be finetuned.
    In computer chess we have a world champion Lc0 (or Leela, which is a community built neural net modelled after and improving on Alpha Zero). It just beat Leelenstein, which is derived from Lc0, but not trained by self play but by selected machine games. Overall Leelenstein's rating is higher, and we got lots of draws, but it seems that the fast self play of Lc0 prevailed to steadily improve a deeply tactical and unusual position (in the penultimate game of tiebreak 3 in match 2 that was). Latest news is the parameters of the evaluation function of the old school chess calculator Stockfish (runner up at this CCC14) will be governed by a neural net in the future. Cheers!

  • Pablo Mena
    Pablo Mena 3 роки тому +8

    After Vitalik and Simon, you drop this bomb on us! Lex, god bless you and your podcast. This guy is an inspiration, both of his books, Anthropic Bias: Observation Selection Effects in Science and Philosophy (2002) and Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies (2014) are truly amazing reads.
    I hope to see you @ MIT if I get a chance to do a talk there.

    • Frieda
      Frieda  2 місяці тому

      God ?….

    • Chris1059
      Chris1059 2 місяці тому

      @Frieda what about you

  • Maggie Margaret
    Maggie Margaret Рік тому

    Our ultimate question might end up being: can a real person learn more from a simulated person than another real person? And what is the answer> Would it depend on the original simulator and whether or not they wanted real people to learn more. Oh, geeze! I am going to start running around yelling FERMI, Fermi!! in order that Nick and Lex, should I ever have the privilege to be in the same room with them, will at least find me interesting enough to allow me to hang around and listen to their side-bar conversations. I will probably come back to listen to this particular session many times.

  • smtsjhr
    smtsjhr 3 роки тому +101

    Congratulations, Lex! You finally found the guy who will answer your "Are we living in a simulation?" question! : )

    • Johnnie Fujita
      Johnnie Fujita 3 роки тому +12

      sumitsijher some very intelligent people spend much time asking if the universe could be a simulation. And actually this question was already answered. The answer is that it doesn't really matter if it is fundamentally a simulation, because for our kind of experience, our brain as a bio computing system, already access the "world" as info, and generating a inner representation that we can access... so we are already constrained to our own simulation, even if the info from which the universe is made is somewhat fundamental and display some teleological physics property. For the human experience it still need to be completely artificial. the world as will and representation from schopenhauer kind of proposes this.

    • Johnnie Fujita
      Johnnie Fujita 3 роки тому +6

      the answer is; even if the universe is not a simulation. We still would experience it as if it was one.

    • smtsjhr
      smtsjhr 3 роки тому +2

      @Johnnie Fujita Well said! I agree with this. The point is not so much about wether we are living in a simulation or not. The important essence of the matter, is that nature and our experience has the interesting property that it **seems as if** the universe was a simulation.

    • EpicSC
      EpicSC 2 роки тому +1

      Johnnie Fujita that’s not the point of the question.

    • jack rogers
      jack rogers 2 роки тому

      @Johnnie Fujita because it is one lol...

  • Cain Cotterill
    Cain Cotterill Рік тому +9

    Don’t sell out Lex, you are very much needed to bridge the Laymen with the academics.
    You will have one of the biggest channels in the near future, you are a teacher of teachers🇬🇧👊🏼

  • Greg Stewart
    Greg Stewart 4 місяці тому

    Since we can simulate the neurons of a roundworm in python, we can imagine a roundworm lex asking these questions. Is he one of the simulated round worm lexes or a real one? Depends on number of those who joined openworm vs number of real worms perhaps. I love Nick, this guy would be super fun to hang with.

  • افتاب
    افتاب 2 роки тому

    So much information from this man.

  • SliKClips
    SliKClips 3 роки тому

    Congrats on all your channel's progress. Its a no brainier sub

  • hey sup
    hey sup Рік тому +1

    this might very well be the most intelligent human on earth. absolutely incredible conversation

  • Luke and Nolan
    Luke and Nolan 2 роки тому +1

    Good conversation. Great job. Thought provoking

  • Akarsh Rastogi
    Akarsh Rastogi 3 роки тому +45

    Was anticipating Bostrom's presence on this podcast since an eon. I appreciate the amount of time spent setting clear definitions and enumerating hypotheses but I honestly hoped that this conversation would've delved much deeper and would've generated many more grand open questions for everyone, including both of them.
    Since Lex has always been asking the question of simulations to interested guests, I am just assuming that there will be a further follow-up podcast with Nick which will commence from where you don't have to establish firm ground. And also that Lex will impart some accessible insights from his research to the guests so that their thinking can be more inter-disciplinary leading to generation of even greater holistic ideas.

    • Arash Arshadi
      Arash Arshadi 3 роки тому +3

      gee I hope Lex don't invite or talk to this sad goof ever again!
      his imagination is so child like and under developed it made me question my subscription to this podcast! hopefully Lex's other guests are quite scientific and intelligent but this overwhelmed glass goof with his imaginary civilizations and dreams of disconnecting from reality just makes me cringe so hard to the point I just can't finish watching this...

    • Akarsh Rastogi
      Akarsh Rastogi 3 роки тому +16

      @Arash Arshadi "gee I hope" you're kidding or maybe have really a lot of guts to judge the intelligence of a celebrated Oxford professor. He's also the author of the bestselling book "Superintelligence", which sparked an era of AGI Safety that Lex Fridman himself followed, and it will continue to be the most important discussion and research area in this century. He also formulated the Simulation hypothesis which Lex seems to be questioning about to almost every other guest, so in most ways, Nick Bostrom is an inspiration to Lex and a million others.
      And please develop some abstract and philosophical thinking capabilities, Science has always been closely intertwined with these fundamentals. AI Safety, ethics, morality will indeed require ideas from all fields.

    • Francie Vogt
      Francie Vogt 2 роки тому +2

      @Akarsh Rastogi Well said.

    • Kirstin Strand
      Kirstin Strand 2 роки тому

      @Arash Arshadi I agree...who IS this silly man? Most comments make me wonder who people are trying to impress. Hopefully Lex will forget another interview with this chaotic mind.

  • Jimmy Bolton
    Jimmy Bolton Рік тому

    I loved this talk truly, wasnt trying to be confrontational. ❤️❤️❤️

  • Pauline Murnin
    Pauline Murnin 2 роки тому

    Finally found this channel, nice to talk to the super intelligent for a change lol 😆

  • John
    John 3 роки тому +6

    I was hoping for some more philosophical conversations. Thanks, Lex.

  • Justchaz
    Justchaz Місяць тому

    The frog lit the stove, jumped in the pot and, for entertainment, watches innumerable episodes of Lex, marveling at its intelligence.

  • Paul Lampl
    Paul Lampl 7 місяців тому

    So frustrating that when Lex asked what an AGI takeover would look like and he was going to answer, got side tracked, and never got back to it. Lex really drops the ball sometimes.

  • Jason Stillman
    Jason Stillman 3 роки тому +5

    A wonderful interview. Lex, you are the Nick Bostrom of interviewers.

  • gotama420
    gotama420 3 роки тому

    Thank you Lex ,thanks for this .Thanks for all of it.

  • Augustus
    Augustus 3 роки тому +9

    Finally, the podcast and the interviewer Nick Bostrom deserved 👍🏻

  • Lars Emil Hermansson
    Lars Emil Hermansson 3 роки тому

    Your channel is amazing and I have been listen to most of the interviews.

  • Basem Ali
    Basem Ali 2 роки тому

    The perfect guest for this podcast!

    CxJAGUAR Рік тому

    This conversation is very underrated the possibilities of simulation theory could not just open up a new idea of creation but a whole new concept of reality. IMO the ones who fray away from that are too scared of not being able to understand what’s on the other side.

  • Peruvian FarmerBaseReality
    Peruvian FarmerBaseReality 2 роки тому +1

    If I had an experience machine I would experience a lex Fridman podcast with Sam Harris as a guest

    RAJESH PRAJAPATI 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you so much for the conversation.

  • Madam Della TV
    Madam Della TV Рік тому

    Consciousness knows no physical boundaries
    In the end and now this is
    Great topic and this conversation is why I subbed

  • Jonas Böse
    Jonas Böse 3 роки тому +1

    So in the very last sentence Nick Bostrom, the super human logic mashine, answeres finally the seemingly easiest question that has been asked but the one he struggled the most with. The question about what he values, what he has joy in. It‘s obviously talking to somebody who listens and tries to really understand and learn.

  • Eisenwerks
    Eisenwerks 3 роки тому +1

    I had a dream once that I was discussing whether or not to leave the universe. I was offered a choice to hop out of the simulation and let someone else play. I was depressed and I accepted it. It was one of those dreams that is so vivid it fucks with your perception of reality upon waking. I don't think it was real, but who knows? Maybe I'll be you next (cue twilight zone theme)